| --- | Log | opened Sat Mar 13 00:00:04 2010 |
| --- | Day | changed Sat Mar 13 2010 |
| 00:00 | <Trystan> | hakr_: from the looks of it |
| 00:00 | <Trystan> | you use sendpass nickname |
| 00:00 | <Trystan> | which should email you the auth code |
| 00:00 | <Trystan> | you then do sendpass nickname authcode newpassword |
| 00:00 | <Nipsting> | jtsage yeah im looking at that now, will try it out |
| 00:04 | <Nipsting> | jtsage which daemon is it I need to add -v to.. not sure about that |
| 00:04 | <amitz> | demon! |
| 00:04 | * | amitz lurks again |
| 00:04 | <Nipsting> | ah nevermind, found it |
| 00:05 | <jtsage> | Nipsting- i'd hit qmgr and smptd - see if you can get it to spit out why it's not delivering. on the bright side, postfix uses a very standard set of error messages which are quite googlable for full details on how to fix it :) |
| 00:05 | <Nipsting> | yeah tried the googling part :) couldnt find a solution |
| 00:05 | <Nipsting> | but the log just got ALOT bigger |
| 00:06 | <jtsage> | heh - that's why i'm hoping for a more detailed error message for ya - your set up isn't one i'm terribly familiar with, although i have fought with postfix before |
| 00:06 | <Nipsting> | ill pastebin it |
| 00:07 | <Nipsting> | http://p.linode.com/3611 |
| 00:08 | <Nipsting> | looks like its the match list thats wonky as far as I can tell |
| 00:08 | <Nipsting> | it should be camper.schultzit.dk I believe |
| 00:08 | <jtsage> | Mar 13 06:04:46 camper postfix/pipe[15671]: match_list_match: schultzit.dk: no match (i believe you may be on to something there) |
| 00:09 | <Nipsting> | I changed the FQDN from schultzit.dk to camper.schultzit.dk maybe I missed some entries |
| 00:10 | <Nipsting> | just not 100% sure where they are all stored |
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| 00:11 | <Nipsting> | thinking about the config you make when you install postfix to begin with. |
| 00:13 | <Nipsting> | any way to rerun the initial install of postfix without having to make ALL the configs again, to make sure the FQDN is set correctly all places ? |
| 00:13 | <megatron27> | problem with bittorrent is that you check it so often |
| 00:14 | <megatron27> | ot |
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| 00:18 | <SelfishMan> | Nipsting: what distro? |
| 00:19 | <SelfishMan> | `dpkg-reconfigure postfix` on debuntu |
| 00:19 | <Nipsting> | debian lenny |
| 00:20 | <SelfishMan> | also, `fgrep -i 'ur.m.om' /etc/*` to find anything that still has the old hostname |
| 00:20 | <Nipsting> | just tried to do a reconfigure |
| 00:20 | <bob2> | and... |
| 00:21 | <Nipsting> | that seemed to sort the match issue atleast |
| 00:22 | <Nipsting> | hmmm or atleast I thought it did |
| 00:22 | * | Nipsting scratches head |
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| 00:27 | * | amitz scratches Nipsting's head |
| 00:27 | <Nipsting> | heh |
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| 01:09 | <happy> | when i enter a hostname for RDNS it doesn't have to be a subdomain like in the examples correct? I can use domain.com not foo.domain.com? |
| 01:10 | <bob2> | if you want to |
| 01:10 | <happy> | thx bob2 |
| 01:10 | <bob2> | (assuming domain.com already resolves to that IP) |
| 01:10 | <happy> | it does |
| 01:17 | <Nipsting> | jtsage still there ? |
| 01:18 | <Nipsting> | http://library.linode.com/email-guides/postfix/postfix-dovecot-mysql-debian-5-lenny in this guide, just after installing postfix and selecting Internet Site, I need to type the system mail name, and Im uncertain if it should be mail.domainname.com or just domainname.com |
| 01:19 | <bob2> | whatever the main IP reverses to |
| 01:20 | <Nipsting> | can you elaborate please, im so confused with that particular setting |
| 01:20 | <bob2> | what is your linode's IP? |
| 01:21 | <Nipsting> | 109.74.199.135 |
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| 01:22 | <bob2> | heh |
| 01:22 | <bob2> | ok |
| 01:23 | <Nipsting> | ? :) |
| 01:23 | <bob2> | so, when setting up a server, here's what I would do: |
| 01:23 | <bob2> | pick a hostname, pick a domain |
| 01:24 | <bob2> | hostname would not be 'mail' |
| 01:24 | <bob2> | go to my dns host, have hostname.domain resolve to my linode IP (ie add an A record) |
| 01:24 | <Nipsting> | I used camper.schultzit.dk previously |
| 01:24 | <bob2> | once that's working, have linode reverse the IP to that hostname to |
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| 01:25 | <bob2> | er too |
| 01:25 | <bob2> | then edit /etc/hostname and /hosts so that the 'hostname' command prints 'camper' and 'hostname -f' prints 'camper.schultzit.dk' |
| 01:25 | <bob2> | then set postfix's mailname to camper.schultzit.dk |
| 01:26 | <Nipsting> | would that give me problems if there is also a webserver running with apache etc. |
| 01:26 | <bob2> | no |
| 01:26 | <bob2> | it would not |
| 01:26 | <Nipsting> | ok |
| 01:27 | <Nipsting> | again, if you could elaborate on reversing the IP to the hostname |
| 01:27 | <bob2> | what do you mean? |
| 01:27 | <Nipsting> | im not too familiar with the term "reversing the IP" |
| 01:28 | <Internat> | like hostnames resolve to ips; ip's also resolve to hostnames |
| 01:28 | <Internat> | for example |
| 01:28 | <happy> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup |
| 01:28 | <Internat> | !rdns 109.74.199.135 |
| 01:28 | <linbot> | https://www.linode.com/members/linode/rdns.cfm |
| 01:28 | <Internat> | err |
| 01:28 | <Internat> | !dns 109.74.199.135 |
| 01:28 | <linbot> | Internat: li146-135.members.linode.com |
| 01:28 | <bob2> | https://www.linode.com/members/linode/network.cfm lets you edit it |
| 01:28 | <bob2> | bah |
| 01:29 | <Internat> | another example |
| 01:29 | <Internat> | !dns broken.our-lan.com |
| 01:29 | <linbot> | Internat: 70.85.31.161 |
| 01:29 | <Internat> | !dns 70.85.31.161 |
| 01:29 | <linbot> | Internat: broken.our-lan.com |
| 01:29 | <Internat> | a lot of mail servers do reverse lookups.. and check that the connecting hostname resolves both ways. |
| 01:29 | <Nipsting> | ok |
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| 01:34 | <Nipsting> | thanks for the help, Ill see if I can get it working, for the 5th time :P |
| 01:39 | <@jed> | He fixes the cable? |
| 01:40 | <Internat> | cable say what? |
| 01:41 | <ghostfish> | where is the reverse DNS setting for Linode? |
| 01:41 | <bob2> | scroll up |
| 01:42 | <Internat> | !rdns |
| 01:42 | <linbot> | https://www.linode.com/members/linode/rdns.cfm |
| 01:42 | <amitz> | Internat knows internet. |
| 01:42 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:42 | <Internat> | not as well as id like lol |
| 01:42 | <@jed> | the Internet is pants |
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| 01:48 | <bwenaru> | hehe pants ^_^ |
| 01:48 | <amitz> | fire pants. |
| 01:50 | <bwenaru> | my pants aren't made of fire |
| 01:52 | <amitz> | it can't contain your ire. |
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| 01:52 | <amitz> | fire |
| 02:00 | <stefanie> | I'm not allowed to play with fire anymore :< |
| 02:03 | <amitz> | you can always play with fire. You just have to exercise special precaution. |
| 02:03 | * | amitz returns to lurking. |
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| 02:23 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 02:23 | <Nipsting> | yay.. progress. From one error to another, lol |
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| 02:27 | <Internat> | gota start somewhere :) |
| 02:27 | <Internat> | RCA ftw |
| 02:27 | <Nipsting> | looks like it didnt get all the files purged, so its just some permission errors |
| 02:27 | <Nipsting> | I hope |
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| 02:28 | <Nipsting> | but I think I found the cause for the first error I had |
| 02:29 | <Nipsting> | in etc/default/saslauthd START=yes is case sensitive. it was START=YES |
| 02:29 | <Nipsting> | oops |
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| 02:38 | <Nipsting> | ahh balls, back to the same error. Im starting to be fairly certain that the guide on linode.com is missing something |
| 02:38 | <bob2> | it is possible |
| 02:39 | <bob2> | what specific error are you seeing? |
| 02:39 | <Nipsting> | need to enable the verbosity again, give me a sec and Ill put it on pastebin |
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| 02:45 | <Nipsting> | http://p.linode.com/3612 there you go bob2 |
| 02:46 | <Nipsting> | im completely out of ideas |
| 02:46 | <bob2> | pastebin your master.cf |
| 02:46 | <bob2> | and main.cf |
| 02:46 | <Nipsting> | ok |
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| 02:48 | <Nipsting> | http://p.linode.com/3613 master.cf |
| 02:50 | <Nipsting> | http://p.linode.com/3614 main.cf |
| 02:50 | <bob2> | btw, using -v everywhere probably makes it harder to debug |
| 02:51 | <Nipsting> | yeah, for some reason it didnt show anything on the smtpd -v only the dovecot line |
| 02:51 | <bob2> | I mean, using -v at all |
| 02:52 | <Nipsting> | the status=deferred message was all I got without it |
| 02:52 | <Nipsting> | it was per jtsage's recommendation :) |
| 02:53 | <Nipsting> | Mar 13 08:43:04 camper postfix/pipe[20746]: 96B1F1E5B0: to=<test5@schultzit.dk>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.04, delays=0.03/0/0/0.01, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure) is all I get without -v |
| 02:54 | <bob2> | grep log_path /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
| 02:55 | <Nipsting> | heh I just opened that file, and found that it doesnt have permission to create the folders |
| 02:55 | <Nipsting> | not sure if I should chown /home/vmail/ to postfix:postfix |
| 02:57 | <Nipsting> | http://p.linode.com/3615 |
| 03:00 | <Nipsting> | BE8411E59F: to=<test5@schultzit.dk>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.05, delays=0.03/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via dovecot service) progress :) |
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| 03:03 | <Nipsting> | EUREKA! |
| 03:03 | <Nipsting> | bob2 you've been a tremendous help :) |
| 03:05 | <Nipsting> | just tested it with thunderbird, and it works |
| 03:05 | <bob2> | huzah |
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| 03:06 | <Nipsting> | and sending from thunderbird to the mail also works |
| 03:07 | <Nipsting> | the problem was the schultzit.dk folder already existed, and the owner was root |
| 03:07 | <Nipsting> | so it could not create the mail folders |
| 03:07 | <bob2> | yeah |
| 03:07 | <Nipsting> | Ever come to Denmark, Ill buy you a beer or ten ;) |
| 03:11 | <Nipsting> | now I just need to set up spamassassin and some virus scanning etc. |
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| 03:19 | <timerickson> | Hey |
| 03:19 | <timerickson> | I just setup from a stackscript, and all my PHP pages are giving error 502 |
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| 04:08 | <amitz> | bored. |
| 04:09 | <davidcajio> | Have an LB setup with a floating WAN VIP and a floating NAT IP trying to get lsv to balance to a single server for testing through a local NAT connection, I can see through tcpdump that when I telnet to the WAN VIP lvs is redirecting to the webserver, but it appears the webserver is not directing back to the NAT causing a hang, I've tried setting the gateway for the internal IP on the web server with no luck, any ideas? |
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| 04:53 | <SelfishMan> | Dear Steve Gibson: Please be hit by a bus. Twice. kthxbai |
| 04:53 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 04:53 | <HedgeMage> | lol that was random |
| 04:53 | <SelfishMan> | nah, not for me |
| 04:53 | <SelfishMan> | I have to keep track of the complete bullshit that he feeds people |
| 04:54 | <encode> | what's he said now? |
| 04:54 | <encode> | are your shields down? |
| 04:54 | <SelfishMan> | I'm about to find out |
| 04:54 | <SelfishMan> | Did you know that he discovered the kaminski bug? |
| 04:54 | <encode> | do i know what the kaminski bug is? |
| 04:55 | <SelfishMan> | Remember the big DNS vulnerability from about a year ago that allowed for easier cache poisoning? |
| 04:55 | <encode> | yep |
| 04:55 | <SelfishMan> | !f kaminsky dns bug |
| 04:55 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Screw you, SelfishMan |
| 04:55 | <SelfishMan> | The one publicized by Dan Kaminsky? |
| 04:56 | <SelfishMan> | Yeah, Steve Gibson has announced several times that he discovered it |
| 04:56 | <encode> | oh |
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| 04:56 | <encode> | well that makes sense |
| 04:57 | <SelfishMan> | basically every security hole was found by gibson first |
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| 04:58 | <encode> | he's clearly been very busy |
| 04:58 | <SelfishMan> | yep |
| 04:59 | <SelfishMan> | I'm sure in the movie hackers when they were "hacking the gibson" it was his website they were after |
| 04:59 | <SelfishMan> | just ask him |
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| 05:01 | <encode> | damn. my mac's shields aren't up |
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| 05:03 | <Internat> | haha |
| 05:04 | <Internat> | shields down! |
| 05:05 | <SelfishMan> | oh noes! My IP has rDNS configured so I can now be uniquely identified on teh interwebs |
| 05:06 | <encode> | sux2beyou |
| 05:06 | <encode> | i have no rDNS on my 3g dongle |
| 05:06 | <encode> | apparently it's a huge security risk having port 22 open |
| 05:07 | <SelfishMan> | Oh, I found out today that Qwest considers the use of SSH to be "Business Use" |
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| 05:10 | <andrewh> | Who can I talk to here from Linode who can help with a late payment? |
| 05:10 | <encode> | andrewh: probably best to create a ticket |
| 05:11 | <encode> | given it's 5am linode time |
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| 05:38 | <@Perihelion> | andrewh: Hi |
| 05:38 | <@Perihelion> | As encode said, it's best to put in a ticket |
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| 05:46 | <johan1> | hey guys, what would the maximum incoming connection speed be for the linode360 account? |
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| 06:00 | <Internat> | 50mbs |
| 06:00 | <Internat> | is the default limit |
| 06:00 | <Internat> | but that can be changed. |
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| 06:07 | <Peng> | johan1: Incoming traffic to your node is not limited, except by the gigabit interface. |
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| 06:09 | <sadiq> | incoming bandwidth is metered though? |
| 06:10 | <Peng> | Metered? Like, it counts towards your 200 GB allowance? YEs. |
| 06:11 | <johan1> | Peng: cool thanks! So, say I had an average of 16Mb/s and nothing more, would that mean that the maximum data that I receive from the source is 16Mb/s? |
| 06:11 | <Peng> | johan1: What? |
| 06:11 | <Peng> | !f 16 Mbps * 1 month in GB |
| 06:11 | <linbot> | Peng: zomg you broke teh interwebs! |
| 06:12 | <Peng> | zomg indeed! |
| 06:14 | <johan1> | Does anyone have the terms and conditions page url? :P |
| 06:15 | <johan1> | Peng: well, what I tried to do was to loadtest one of our new company servers, but the office link was too slow, so I tried the test from my linode |
| 06:16 | * | Peng stabs Peng_ |
| 06:17 | <Peng> | !f what can I do |
| 06:17 | <linbot> | Peng: What can I do with my Linode? It's probably easier to tell you what you cannot do: Nothing illegal and nothing that interferes with other customers and services. Our Terms of Service document is located here: http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm |
| 06:17 | <johan1> | ossum thanks |
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| 06:33 | <amitz> | possum |
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| 06:33 | <amitz> | poof |
| 06:34 | * | Peng poofs amitz. |
| 06:34 | <Peng> | God, this is killing me in the iRPGs, haha. |
| 06:34 | <Peng> | As soon as I turn off auto-logins, it'll get better. :P |
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| 06:57 | <linbot> | New news from forums: How to create CNAME records (using Google Apps for Email) in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5297>; |
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| 08:42 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Can't add another domain (nano saves file as ms-dos app) in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5298>; |
| 08:45 | <Peng> | ... |
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| 08:50 | <Hoggs> | I've recieved 8 emails from linode about high CPU/disk use in the last day. Am I overdoing it a bit? :x |
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| 08:53 | <mathew> | Hoggs, no |
| 08:54 | <mathew> | Hoggs, as the email says, you need to increase your limits. |
| 08:54 | <Hoggs> | mathew, yeah, but I don't plan on keeping it up more than a day |
| 08:54 | <Peng> | You can't know that. Maybe Hoggs really is overdoing it. |
| 08:55 | <Hoggs> | Compiling. Lots&lots of compiling. |
| 08:55 | <Hoggs> | :P |
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| 09:25 | <chesty> | !gentoo |
| 09:25 | <linbot> | --zomg-funroll-loops --ricer-cflags --flail-wildly --moar-disk-thrashing |
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| 09:28 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:28 | <bwenaru> | lol @ that |
| 09:28 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:28 | <bwenaru> | lol |
| 09:28 | <bwenaru> | well that's interesting |
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| 10:26 | <mangos> | i have huge gaps in my graphs at around 1 AM, is this some kind of maintanance thing? |
| 10:27 | <A-KO> | http://status.linode.com/ if it's not on there, then probably not. |
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| 10:34 | <mangos> | well thats weird |
| 10:34 | <mangos> | every day im getting these gaps at 1 am.. |
| 10:34 | <mangos> | my syslog says ubuntu is restarting, but its been up for 10 days |
| 10:35 | <mangos> | ah, nevermind, thats 10 hours :P |
| 10:36 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:36 | <mangos> | lol, this is weird, my box is restarting itself every day at 6:30 |
| 10:38 | <Peng> | Maybe it's crashing and automatically being rebooted? |
| 10:38 | <Peng> | For example, panic_on_oom + lassie |
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| 10:39 | <mangos> | how can i check that? |
| 10:40 | <Peng> | I dunno. Read your logs. |
| 10:40 | <chesty> | isn't 630 when syslog restarts?, or is that 6? |
| 10:40 | <Peng> | Mine does it at 06:47... |
| 10:40 | <Peng> | mangos: Ah. To see if lassie is rebooting your node, check the job history in the Linode manager. |
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| 10:41 | <Peng> | 06:25 is when Ubuntu runs weekly cronjobs, though. |
| 10:41 | <chesty> | mine is 0630 |
| 10:41 | <Peng> | I hope you don't have an ntpdate cronjob too. :P |
| 10:42 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:42 | <bwenaru> | lol |
| 10:43 | <Peng> | Not funny. :( |
| 10:44 | <bwenaru> | :( I sorry |
| 10:44 | <Hoggs> | Hrm.. I can't get my two linodes to ping each other on their private IP addresses. |
| 10:44 | <bwenaru> | are they in the same datacente |
| 10:44 | <Hoggs> | Yup |
| 10:44 | <bwenaru> | can you see arp entries |
| 10:44 | <bwenaru> | arp -a |
| 10:45 | <Hoggs> | gateway92.linode.com (74.207.250.1) at 00:0c:db:fc:8b:72 [ether] on eth0 |
| 10:45 | <bwenaru> | paste ifconfig into pastebin |
| 10:45 | <Hoggs> | Will do |
| 10:45 | <bwenaru> | on both boxen |
| 10:45 | <bwenaru> | from both boxen** |
| 10:47 | <Hoggs> | box1: http://pastebin.com/6gTPrPUL & box2: http://pastebin.com/TjAstTbt |
| 10:48 | <@caker> | Hoggs: did you reboot each box after adding the private IP? |
| 10:49 | <Hoggs> | caker, I've rebooted the newer box, but can't remember the older one. Possibly not. |
| 10:49 | <Hoggs> | Should it matter? I've restarted the interfaces on it |
| 10:49 | <@caker> | yes, it should. |
| 10:50 | <bwenaru> | yeah it changes network config on the VM i think |
| 10:50 | <@caker> | yup |
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| 10:50 | <Hoggs> | Good bye uptime. :'( |
| 10:50 | <bwenaru> | uptime means nothing sir. |
| 10:50 | <bwenaru> | dont get sucked in to that trap. |
| 10:50 | <Peng> | Uptime means everything! |
| 10:50 | <Hoggs> | ^ |
| 10:51 | * | Peng checks |
| 10:51 | <bwenaru> | not really. |
| 10:51 | <Hoggs> | It's all about e-peen |
| 10:51 | <Hoggs> | :) |
| 10:51 | <bwenaru> | true. |
| 10:51 | <Peng> | Exactly. :D |
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| 10:51 | <Peng> | I know. I care about downtime, but uptime isn't a big deal. Except when I crashed my node with 363 days. That sucked. |
| 10:52 | <Hoggs> | Funny story |
| 10:52 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Stupid question time: how does one figure out the date, in bash, in the past? I have been running the following, http://p.linode.com/3616, to back up my home dirs for a couple months now, and I have 2 months worth of daily backups, which is great but now I want to only keep the last 7 days worth of daily backups, and I can not figure out how to get bash to delete all files on the remote host that are 8 days or older |
| 10:52 | <@caker> | use find |
| 10:53 | <Hoggs> | We have this PC at work sitting next to all of the important server consoles. The screen is always off, but the PC is always on. No one seems to know what it does. So the other day I turned it on.. It was running CentOS. Console -> uptime. 700+ days! |
| 10:53 | <jess^_> | WOOHOO |
| 10:53 | <Hoggs> | brix were shat |
| 10:54 | <Hoggs> | Also, damnit. node rebooting at 96 days. So close. =( |
| 10:54 | <Turl> | Delph: find can do that iirc |
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| 10:55 | <A-KO> | Hoggs: If noone knows what it does--then that 700 day uptime seems pretty useless :P |
| 10:55 | <chesty> | back in the good old days, the uptime on linux wrapped back to zero after 500ish days, clocked about a dozen boxes, some possibly twice |
| 10:55 | <Turl> | with cdate or sth like that |
| 10:55 | <A-KO> | I've got windows machines sitting around that nobody knew what it does with years of uptime :P |
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| 10:55 | <Hoggs> | Haha |
| 10:55 | <chesty> | we had a linux box that crashed on uptime wrap, known bug |
| 10:56 | <Hoggs> | Oops |
| 10:56 | <chesty> | so had to keep an eye on it and schedule reboots |
| 10:56 | <DephNet[Paul]> | A-KO, Ibet it is as slow as a lethargic slug in treacle |
| 10:56 | <A-KO> | not sure what the obsession is with uptime though :P I mean, anyone worth their pay grade at this point if "uptime" is your goal, you almost inevitably do it with some sort of clustering |
| 10:57 | <Hoggs> | DephNet[Paul], naw, we have windows servers at work with very high uptime. Still responsive as hell, provided they're kept busy |
| 10:57 | <A-KO> | yeah the amount of issues we have at work with our servers (nearly a full Windows shop) is pretty much close to none. |
| 10:57 | <A-KO> | the applications sooner have problems rather than Windows (known development bugs) |
| 10:58 | <A-KO> | the network connections sooner drop |
| 10:58 | <Hoggs> | Aye, second that |
| 10:58 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Hoggs, when I managed a couple Windows servers I found I would need to reboot them atleast once a week |
| 10:58 | <bwenaru> | then you weren't managing them very well. |
| 10:58 | <Hoggs> | :P |
| 10:59 | <A-KO> | I used to work in the NOC, now work as one of the engineers. We've got racks upon racks of windows machines (consolidating to blades at this point with VMs). And I can't think of a time where there was just some "random" issue with any of the machines. |
| 10:59 | <A-KO> | And I would have known when machines went down, 'cause they would have stopped pinging |
| 10:59 | <Hoggs> | On that note, I can ping! |
| 10:59 | <Hoggs> | Thanks guys |
| 10:59 | <mangos> | ah, i figured out why the linode rebooted, there was power outage.. |
| 10:59 | <A-KO> | I think we're now looking to switch from VMWare to Hyper-V :P |
| 10:59 | <mangos> | of course.. |
| 11:00 | <Hoggs> | A-KO, Ew |
| 11:00 | <Hoggs> | why? |
| 11:00 | <Hoggs> | ESXi > * |
| 11:00 | <A-KO> | Hoggs: cost reasons mostly, Microsoft is offering some pretty solid combination packs when you sign up with their EA. |
| 11:01 | <A-KO> | Honestly, it's hard to not justify it from a cost perspective. It works, works well, and when you get a couple of management products thrown in the mix for free :P |
| 11:01 | <A-KO> | things that buying separately would be $$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 11:01 | <A-KO> | just can't beat it |
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| 12:05 | <DephNet[Paul]> | are there any other recommended directories, as well as /proc, that I should exclude from a full backup of a linode? |
| 12:05 | <Talman> | /tmp/ |
| 12:05 | <@caker> | proc sys maybe dev |
| 12:06 | <Talman> | Wouldn't /dev/ need to be remade anyway? |
| 12:07 | <DephNet[Paul]> | thanks caker, I forgot about /sys |
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| 12:12 | <Talman> | Oh, that's nice. Its now Oracle Virtualbox. |
| 12:12 | <Talman> | They didn't even keep the sun name? |
| 12:13 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Talman, did you expect them too? |
| 12:14 | <Talman> | I expected them to keep it as a service mark for people to find things during a transition period. |
| 12:14 | <Talman> | But then I realized that they'd be searching for Java or Netbeans. |
| 12:14 | <Talman> | And the URL is just java.com |
| 12:15 | <DephNet[Paul]> | I expect they will pull most of the funding that Sun used to give OOo and MySQL, it wont be for a year or so, but it will happen |
| 12:15 | <Talman> | What's Oracle's version of OOo? |
| 12:15 | <Talman> | Also, I am aboot to install vritualbox, so I will disappear off the face of the internet for afew. :( |
| 12:16 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Talman, they do not have one, but in my opinion Oracle will pull the funding |
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| 12:20 | <chesty> | DephNet[Paul]: what are you using to backup? |
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| 12:23 | <Talman|Ghosting> | Andy Bernard, fish sniper. |
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| 12:25 | <Talman> | OMG I am successfully registered as a virtualbox user and Oracle now tracks me. |
| 12:25 | <DephNet[Paul]> | chesty, taring up each users /home directory seperately, and rsyncing them to bqbackup, then rsyncing the entire server to bqbackup, excluding /proc /sys /dev /home and a couple directories I have created in the root of the file system |
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| 12:27 | <chesty> | the problem with excluding directories is they don't exist at all in the backup. if you use the tar directive to not backup external file systems, an empty /proc directory will exist |
| 12:27 | <chesty> | (for example) |
| 12:28 | <DephNet[Paul]> | im not using tar to back the server up, just plain rsync |
| 12:28 | <chesty> | oh, you have do the same with rsync |
| 12:28 | <chesty> | you can do |
| 12:29 | <chesty> | -x, --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries |
| 12:30 | <DephNet[Paul]> | chesty, http://p.linode.com/3617 that's the script I have written today, although I am sure I could it more economically |
| 12:32 | <DephNet[Paul]> | s/could it/could do it |
| 12:32 | <chesty> | rsync -avzx --exclude=/backups --exclude=/home -e ssh / getresolved@getresolved.bqbackup.com:backups/hydrogen/full |
| 12:33 | <chesty> | -e isn't needed unless you need to pass arguments to ssh |
| 12:37 | <Talman> | Say... How can I troubleshoot why nagios isn't emailing me on issues? |
| 12:38 | <chesty> | run mailq first, then check mail log to see if they are bouncing or not being generated |
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| 12:39 | <chesty> | nagios also has a log you could check to see if mail is being triggered by the event |
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| 12:42 | <Talman> | hmm, I see service alerts. |
| 12:42 | <Talman> | But no MAIL notifications. |
| 12:43 | <Talman> | Its notify-host-by-email and notify-service-by-email, correct? |
| 12:44 | <Talman> | n was set. THanks, chesty and google. |
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| 12:52 | <Talman> | All right, now to turn something off and see. :) |
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| 12:54 | <Joker> | alguem no bom e velho português BR? |
| 12:54 | <Joker> | axo q isso foi um não!!! |
| 12:54 | <Joker> | :D |
| 12:55 | <Joker> | i need help. |
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| 12:55 | <bwenaru> | yes. you do. |
| 12:55 | <Joker> | my root password dont run... |
| 12:55 | <bwenaru> | why not. |
| 12:55 | <Joker> | sftp/ssh |
| 12:55 | <Joker> | i dont now |
| 12:55 | <bwenaru> | does it work in lish |
| 12:55 | <Joker> | so no run |
| 12:56 | <bwenaru> | does it work in lish |
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| 12:56 | <Joker> | i'm change in the members arena... |
| 12:56 | <Joker> | but dont run |
| 12:57 | <bwenaru> | does it work in lish |
| 12:57 | <bwenaru> | does it work in lish |
| 12:57 | <bwenaru> | does it work in lish |
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| 12:57 | <Joker> | what a lish? |
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| 12:58 | <bwenaru> | linode shell |
| 12:58 | <Joker> | sorry... is a first time in this server... |
| 12:59 | <Joker> | the ajax console RUN... |
| 12:59 | <Talman> | are you the account holder? :) |
| 12:59 | <Joker> | yes |
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| 13:00 | <bwenaru> | yes, ajax console |
| 13:00 | <bwenaru> | can you log in as root from ajax console sir ? |
| 13:00 | <Joker> | yesterday ran! |
| 13:01 | <Joker> | I do not know ... do not know servers like this ... is my first time |
| 13:01 | <bwenaru> | ok so |
| 13:01 | <bwenaru> | go in to your linode |
| 13:01 | <bwenaru> | and go to console |
| 13:01 | <bwenaru> | then launch ajax console |
| 13:01 | <Joker> | ok |
| 13:01 | <Joker> | ok |
| 13:01 | <Joker> | n' now? |
| 13:02 | <bwenaru> | it should have opened up console yes? |
| 13:02 | <Joker> | yes |
| 13:02 | <bwenaru> | should ask you for a login |
| 13:03 | <bwenaru> | try logging in there... that islocal console so even if ssh/sftp is set to not let you log in as root that will still work |
| 13:03 | <Joker> | no... |
| 13:03 | <bwenaru> | what does it say sir |
| 13:03 | <Joker> | it not ask my login |
| 13:03 | <Talman> | now why is it not notifying me when I'm specified to notify for everything. |
| 13:03 | <bwenaru> | Joker, what does it say |
| 13:04 | <Joker> | the console no ask my login |
| 13:04 | <bwenaru> | what does it ask |
| 13:04 | <bwenaru> | what does it say |
| 13:04 | <Joker> | sorry |
| 13:04 | <Joker> | my inglesh |
| 13:04 | <Joker> | BAD |
| 13:04 | <Joker> | :D |
| 13:04 | <bwenaru> | clearly. |
| 13:04 | <bwenaru> | what it says |
| 13:05 | <Joker> | login incorrect |
| 13:05 | <Joker> | :D |
| 13:06 | <Joker> | i'm enter |
| 13:07 | <Joker> | but... why i'dont login in ssh mode? |
| 13:07 | <tcsh> | did you use username root? |
| 13:07 | <Joker> | yes |
| 13:07 | <tcsh> | often root is not allowed ssh login |
| 13:08 | <tcsh> | as set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:08 | <tcsh> | PermitRootLogin yes/no |
| 13:08 | <tcsh> | if I remember correctly |
| 13:08 | <Joker> | ok |
| 13:08 | <Joker> | wait |
| 13:09 | <Joker> | this command... i run in the console? |
| 13:09 | <Joker> | -> /ectc/ssh/sshd_config: No such file or directory |
| 13:09 | <bwenaru> | vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:11 | <Joker> | sorry |
| 13:11 | <Talman> | please use nano unless you know how vi works/ |
| 13:11 | <Joker> | the console is very slow |
| 13:11 | <Joker> | -bash: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: Permission denied |
| 13:12 | <CompWizrd> | are you root? |
| 13:12 | <Joker> | yes |
| 13:13 | <Talman> | I think he just tried to run it. |
| 13:13 | <Talman> | nano -w /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 13:18 | <Joker> | i can't exit! |
| 13:18 | <Joker> | haUHAUHa :D |
| 13:18 | <Joker> | i'm noob |
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| 13:18 | <tcsh> | better solution would be to add a user account |
| 13:18 | <tcsh> | that you can login as, instead of logging in as root |
| 13:19 | <tcsh> | i don't know how to exit nano, i never use it |
| 13:19 | <tcsh> | i'm a vi guy |
| 13:19 | <tcsh> | :/ |
| 13:19 | <tcsh> | google nano search for "exit" |
| 13:19 | <@caker> | what are you guys trying to do? |
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| 13:19 | <chesty> | save the whales |
| 13:19 | <Peng_> | Confuse you. |
| 13:21 | <mangos-> | nano is ctrl+x |
| 13:21 | <mangos-> | nano is just a rip off of pico anyways :P |
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| 13:23 | <randallman> | Anyone in here still using mythtv? |
| 13:24 | <randallman> | Im having to switch to a cable box since Comcast is dropping OTA on the coax... |
| 13:24 | <chesty> | not on my linode |
| 13:24 | <randallman> | heh |
| 13:24 | <randallman> | well |
| 13:24 | <randallman> | Yes, my question is off topic :) |
| 13:24 | <chesty> | i'm not using it anywhere |
| 13:24 | <randallman> | Ok |
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| 13:26 | <mangos-> | randallman: ugh i hate that |
| 13:26 | <mangos-> | i can't steal cable anymore |
| 13:26 | <Talman> | Get a cablecard compliant TV tuner, randallman. |
| 13:26 | <Talman> | Then, tell them to fuck off with their digital cable box. |
| 13:27 | <CompWizrd> | or an IR sender/receiver and tell mythtv to change the channels for you? |
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| 13:43 | <Joker> | yeaaaaaa... |
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| 13:43 | <Joker> | i got! |
| 13:43 | <Joker> | :D |
| 13:43 | <Joker> | AUHhuAAUhAUh |
| 13:44 | <mangos-> | are you having a seizure? |
| 13:44 | <@caker> | seizure?! I barely know her! |
| 13:45 | <@caker> | too soon? |
| 13:45 | <mangos-> | heh |
| 13:46 | <randallman> | CompWizard, I've got a serial blaster from irblaster.info - it's about 70% reliable... which means it might as well be broken 100% of the time |
| 13:46 | <randallman> | and as for cablecard tv tuners, only for winders I believe |
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| 14:03 | <raven> | I was wondering if any you guys could help me in a decision. (I would use the forum but I wanted a quicker answer) Im thinking of moving a site onto Linode 2880 But the site gets about 100-120k visitors a day. Could the 2880 be able to cope with that? |
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| 14:04 | <chesty> | is it a static html site or java? |
| 14:05 | <raven> | Its a PHP site (Wordpress) |
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| 14:05 | <Peng> | raven: A 360 could probably cope with it/ |
| 14:05 | <Peng> | Not to deprive caker of revenue. >.> |
| 14:06 | <Peng> | raven: A 2880 certainly could, unless you configure things spectacularly badly. (That is, use Apache's defaults.) |
| 14:06 | <raven> | A 360 can't It only deals with about 7k the 540 can deal with about 20 |
| 14:06 | <Peng> | Oh? |
| 14:06 | <Peng> | raven: What's your PHP setup? What web server? How much have you optimized things? |
| 14:07 | <Peng> | wp-supercache? |
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| 14:07 | <Peng> | apc or somesuch? |
| 14:07 | <raven> | Oh Im relying on my friends words for that estimate 2 of them recently had to update cos the traffic. Although both use Wp-supercache |
| 14:07 | <Peng> | I see. |
| 14:08 | <chesty> | that's so raven |
| 14:08 | <Peng> | 7k and 20k visitors a day is exactly the same. It's less than 1 dynamic request per second. |
| 14:08 | <Peng> | Sounds like they have things configured badly. |
| 14:09 | <raven> | I can see one of them having bad settings So that could be right. Although one of them had his server set up by a proper technician Infact I believe thats him on the list A-KO |
| 14:09 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:09 | <raven> | Or it is Just someone with the same name lol. |
| 14:09 | <Peng> | Lots of "proper technician[s]" are idiots. |
| 14:10 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:10 | <raven> | That is true lol. |
| 14:10 | <chesty> | what type of host is it hosted at now? |
| 14:10 | <chesty> | poor A-KO |
| 14:10 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:10 | <raven> | Atm its on a windows host who are fucking shocking lol |
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| 14:11 | * | Peng hugs A-KO |
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| 14:11 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Memory usage optimization for a newbie in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5299>; |
| 14:11 | <chesty> | ew |
| 14:11 | <raven> | Its a Dedi from ThePlanet |
| 14:12 | <Peng> | How big a dedi? |
| 14:12 | <raven> | Its setup is 4GB ram and a Pentium G6950 |
| 14:12 | <chesty> | well, wordpress is so variable with all the plugin options, etc. it's very hard to say |
| 14:12 | <Peng> | (Thank goodness, I'm not the only one who uses the word "dedi". I thought I was crazy...) |
| 14:12 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:12 | <raven> | lol. |
| 14:13 | <chesty> | the name of the game is reducing IO, cpu means nothing, memory affects IO and how many concurrent users you can support |
| 14:14 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:14 | <raven> | Well from this I ll take away the lesson, never doubt linode lol. |
| 14:14 | <sadiq> | raven: you'd be decreasing the amount of ram and IO available by going for a 2880 VM. |
| 14:15 | <raven> | Well I could start off low and optimise as much as I can and then slowly upgrade when it is needed. |
| 14:15 | <chesty> | it will cost you $20 to set up a mirror of what you currently have, and can then spend time benchmarking and tuning |
| 14:15 | <sadiq> | raven: thing is, at the 2880 range, you're already in dedicated server pricing territory. |
| 14:15 | <raven> | Then Again I am not optimisation expert...Scratch that, Im not even a novice lol. |
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| 14:16 | <chesty> | with redundant whohars and remote console? |
| 14:16 | <sadiq> | what's a whohars? |
| 14:16 | <linbot> | New news from forums: lighttpd & multi-site drupal & clean URLs in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5300>; |
| 14:16 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:16 | <raven> | Lol. |
| 14:16 | <chesty> | it's a sound |
| 14:16 | <sadiq> | and kvm-ip. |
| 14:17 | <chesty> | so you could get a dedi with kvm-ip for the price of a 2880? |
| 14:17 | <chesty> | no set up fees, no contract |
| 14:17 | <sadiq> | with 4gb of ram, 2x250GB disks and 2TB of transfers. |
| 14:17 | <sadiq> | yep |
| 14:17 | <sadiq> | just go along to SoftLayer. |
| 14:17 | <@jed> | remote hands, the end |
| 14:18 | <raven> | I was thinking of using them actually. It was softlayer or linux |
| 14:18 | <raven> | linux? |
| 14:18 | <raven> | Linode* |
| 14:18 | <sadiq> | I really like Linode's offerings but they completely stop being competitive for me once it goes past 1440. |
| 14:18 | <@jed> | I repeat: remote hands |
| 14:19 | <@jed> | we eat the price of having things done to the server for you |
| 14:19 | <@jed> | if you really want to save a few bucks, cross your fingers that you don't ever need your equipment touched by a DC tech |
| 14:19 | <sadiq> | jed: how do you mean? |
| 14:19 | <sadiq> | SoftLayer's hardware is managed. |
| 14:19 | <@jed> | Reboot / KVM over IP |
| 14:19 | <sadiq> | if it breaks, they fix it, you're not responsible. |
| 14:20 | <Peng> | And they're cheap? Wow. |
| 14:20 | <sadiq> | if you screw up the software, you're on your own but that's another kettle of fish. |
| 14:20 | <sadiq> | Peng: you can get much cheaper. SoftLayer are quality though. |
| 14:20 | <@jed> | softlayer isn't managed |
| 14:20 | <@jed> | at least, from what I've read |
| 14:20 | <sadiq> | jed: the software isn't. |
| 14:20 | <sadiq> | the hardware is. |
| 14:20 | <RobertMeta> | sadiq, I think up to 2880 they are arguable. |
| 14:21 | <sadiq> | I'd probably consider a 2880 if I was scaling up. |
| 14:21 | <sadiq> | Just for the management tools. |
| 14:21 | <raven> | I have never used a 2880 so I can't say. I currently only run 1 360, and 3 540s. |
| 14:21 | <RobertMeta> | But, yeah, after that, if you need to scale vertically and not horz, it starts to be priced out. |
| 14:21 | <RobertMeta> | but, the 2TB is applied to your account generically (not per box) |
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| 14:22 | <@jed> | RobertMeta: there are features that sell us even at those price points; for one, you can clone your server anywhere else in a snap without rebuilding your stack; for two, you get IP failover without any extra configuration; for three, you don't pay per-incident for a DC tech to walk over and fiddle with your box; for four, you don't have to set up RPC and OOB console access yourself (I know some offer KVM/IP, but that's not the same) |
| 14:22 | <sadiq> | if you're willing to pay some money upfront (say 3 or 6 months), you can get much better deals for $159. |
| 14:22 | <sadiq> | RobertMeta: Linode do have the advantage of pricing down to the day though. |
| 14:22 | <@jed> | for five, everything is prorated to the day |
| 14:23 | <Peng> | jed: ;) |
| 14:23 | <chesty> | as is urmom |
| 14:23 | <Peng> | My Mom is pro-rated to the half-hour. |
| 14:23 | <@jed> | why is it every weekend there's someone in here trying to sell softlayer to our customers, anyway |
| 14:24 | <sadiq> | they pay good commission. |
| 14:24 | <chesty> | first i've ever heard of softlayer mentioned here |
| 14:24 | <@jed> | are you on payroll? |
| 14:24 | <sadiq> | heh, no. |
| 14:24 | <sadiq> | jed: i'm just a Linode customer who'd like to keep scaling up vertically and is sat that the value doesn't work out after a while. |
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| 14:25 | <@jed> | you're mislead that the value doesn't work out, in my mind |
| 14:25 | <Peng> | jed: Maybe SoftLayer's really great, so they attract the same customers as Linode. ;-) |
| 14:25 | <RobertMeta> | sadiq, I am in mostly the same boat, I put all the numbers in here awhile back (broken down by cycles, memory, bandwidth, etc) versus singlehop |
| 14:25 | <sadiq> | jed: well naturally, we both sit on different sides of the equation. If you didn't believe you were giving value, it'd be concerning. =) |
| 14:25 | <RobertMeta> | sadiq, if you could flatten out your infastructure a bit, you get more value from linode (with the 2TB per node) |
| 14:25 | <@jed> | honestly, this isn't because I work for Linode, either -- unless you're running the database for twitter, VPSen make sense |
| 14:26 | <@jed> | I've colo'd, and done dedi, and then I worked here |
| 14:26 | <RobertMeta> | jed, lots of B2B apps have fairly high needs even if they aren't that public. |
| 14:26 | <@jed> | RobertMeta: like? |
| 14:26 | <sadiq> | RobertMeta: well, I may be an odd case. My server capacity is very much bound by ram. |
| 14:26 | <raven> | Decided I ll try the 540. Then scale up if I need to. Thanks for all the help. |
| 14:27 | <sadiq> | RobertMeta: so the ability to grab an 8GB ram dual core for $200 makes sense. |
| 14:27 | <@jed> | raven: welcome aboard! |
| 14:27 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:27 | <raven> | Im already aboard lol. |
| 14:27 | <Peng> | Well...welcome aboard again! :D |
| 14:27 | <chesty> | that's so raven |
| 14:27 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:27 | <raven> | Lol. |
| 14:27 | <RobertMeta> | jed, backend data hit for ad networks (to help customize ad results). Only two customers, billions of hits. |
| 14:27 | <@jed> | "billions" being ... per second? |
| 14:28 | <@jed> | that's not really quantifiable |
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| 14:28 | <RobertMeta> | max per second I ever saw was around 58k. |
| 14:28 | <RobertMeta> | with a 50ms SLA. |
| 14:28 | <RobertMeta> | because it is in the decision cycle. |
| 14:28 | <mangos-> | 58k per second, wow |
| 14:28 | <raven> | Anyways Guys I need to go. But I will be back...someday |
| 14:28 | <@jed> | 58k per second of what -- what is the database serving? |
| 14:28 | <RobertMeta> | that includes travel time, which leaves a scant amount of time for the app |
| 14:28 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:28 | <raven> | lol cye |
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| 14:29 | <Peng> | RobertMeta: Oh, right, this is that horrifically expensive thing with the awesome SLA, right? |
| 14:29 | <RobertMeta> | peng, well, we have our own SLA, as does our providers |
| 14:29 | <RobertMeta> | our SLA is with OUR customers, they don't care about the network under it. |
| 14:29 | <RobertMeta> | jed, relevant finicial rankings by address (by ip) |
| 14:30 | <@jed> | take IP --> do logic --> yield relevant data? |
| 14:30 | <RobertMeta> | basically... should they get the ad for the 911 twin turbo, or the 4 year old honda. |
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| 14:30 | <Peng> | RobertMeta: Sounds spooky. :P |
| 14:30 | <RobertMeta> | peng, little bit :) |
| 14:30 | <@jed> | how do you make that decision by IP? |
| 14:30 | <@jed> | geographical census data? |
| 14:31 | <@jed> | income per jurisdiction? |
| 14:31 | <RobertMeta> | hehe, can't go into that, lets just say it is very much "you" and not your "town" |
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| 14:31 | <Peng> | Background search. That's why it's so hard to do it in 50 ms! :D |
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| 14:31 | <RobertMeta> | Peng, 50ms to GET IT TO THEM |
| 14:31 | <RobertMeta> | hehe, not to do that work. |
| 14:31 | <RobertMeta> | 50ms-(travel time) |
| 14:31 | <Peng> | Aww. That's not nearly as cool. :P |
| 14:31 | <RobertMeta> | ... which makes it harder... |
| 14:32 | <@jed> | 50ms to get it to the end user? |
| 14:32 | <CompWizrd> | so outsourcing it to 50 million chinese workers isn't valid... |
| 14:32 | <RobertMeta> | jed, yep, in the cont. US |
| 14:32 | <RobertMeta> | to get to the ad network, so they can make a decision |
| 14:32 | <CompWizrd> | RobertMeta: so how do you handle the dialup users with 200ms pings? :P |
| 14:32 | <RobertMeta> | after 50ms, they drop the connection, and mark us for a fine. |
| 14:32 | <RobertMeta> | CompWizrd, I don't need to get it to the user, just to the ad network. |
| 14:33 | <CompWizrd> | ahhh |
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| 14:33 | <CompWizrd> | and where do you find banner ads for 17 year old toyotas that belch blue smoke, for the dialup users? |
| 14:33 | <RobertMeta> | CompWizrd, not my job. |
| 14:33 | <RobertMeta> | I just return "CompWizrd has horrible credit, 500 in savings" |
| 14:33 | <RobertMeta> | up to the ad network to do what they want with that. |
| 14:34 | <@jed> | yet another reason to tunnel your Web surfing through your Linode |
| 14:34 | <RobertMeta> | ... and never log into any service (because, they can send info directly, without needing the lookup) |
| 14:34 | <RobertMeta> | shortens our work one hop :) |
| 14:35 | <Peng> | jed: It's easier to track my Linode to me than my home IP. |
| 14:35 | <CompWizrd> | you got the first part wrong, the second part right! |
| 14:35 | <Peng> | OK, my home IP rarely changes, so not much easier, but still. rDNS vs. Google. |
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| 14:36 | <@jed> | RobertMeta: where do you get the amount in savings? |
| 14:36 | <RobertMeta> | jed, on your points of advantage, (cloning) limitted value but cool! IP failover isn't hard, but transparent is nice, do many hosting providers still charge per incident, really? |
| 14:36 | <@jed> | yes, they do |
| 14:36 | <RobertMeta> | Why is KVM/IP so different? |
| 14:36 | <@jed> | you should see what we get charged every time we ask for something |
| 14:36 | <RobertMeta> | is my final question. |
| 14:36 | <RobertMeta> | the daily thing is nice. |
| 14:36 | <@jed> | KVM/IP relies on ... IP |
| 14:36 | <linbot> | New news from forums: account credited during cancellation in Customer Testimonials <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4263>; |
| 14:37 | <RobertMeta> | jed, hehe, as for where we get the data, lets just say we get around 78 "bits" per person. |
| 14:37 | <@jed> | and that makes me uncomfortable, honestly |
| 14:37 | <RobertMeta> | it should, deeply. |
| 14:37 | <@jed> | and strikes me as borderline illegal |
| 14:37 | <RobertMeta> | read up on Equifax and what they have on you :) |
| 14:37 | <RobertMeta> | Equifax customer profiles and such. |
| 14:37 | <RobertMeta> | hehe, HUNDREDS of data elements |
| 14:37 | <@jed> | ah, you ask them |
| 14:37 | <RobertMeta> | purchased from thousands of companies |
| 14:37 | <@jed> | so you need a social or a card number as a data point |
| 14:38 | <RobertMeta> | hehe, you would think so -- but nope. |
| 14:38 | <RobertMeta> | ip -> address is fairly accurate |
| 14:38 | <RobertMeta> | address -> other data is fairly accurate |
| 14:38 | <@jed> | from who? |
| 14:38 | <alg> | equifax haha |
| 14:38 | <@jed> | IP/Address is fairly accurate? |
| 14:38 | <RobertMeta> | hehe, can't say, but, you can google for such "lists" |
| 14:38 | <@jed> | do share |
| 14:38 | <alg> | they are naughty bouys |
| 14:38 | <@jed> | well -- I can say |
| 14:38 | <Peng> | RobertMeta: You're giggling too much. |
| 14:38 | <RobertMeta> | the ip/address stuff is purchased from broadband providers / isps |
| 14:38 | <alg> | Peng thats great |
| 14:38 | <alg> | :D |
| 14:39 | * | Peng gets suspicious |
| 14:39 | <@jed> | I'm a former employee of ATTIS, and I know the divulgance policies at least at one major ISP |
| 14:39 | <Peng> | Well...more suspicious! |
| 14:39 | <RobertMeta> | jed, the trick is -- you can never buy all the data from one place |
| 14:39 | <alg> | guys I got spa2012 internet works however upgrade wont connect to router |
| 14:39 | <alg> | says connection refused |
| 14:39 | <RobertMeta> | the ISP might give you the IP -> Address (or zip+4 which is like 2-5 hours) |
| 14:39 | <RobertMeta> | s/hours/houses |
| 14:39 | <alg> | what can I do to fix it? |
| 14:40 | <RobertMeta> | but, they will never give you a name... |
| 14:40 | <RobertMeta> | but, someone else will have a address -> name database |
| 14:40 | <@jed> | ATTIS divulges name and address only under court order or subpoena |
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| 14:40 | <RobertMeta> | if you got money, it is scary how you can mashup data. |
| 14:40 | <RobertMeta> | ATTIS is a good egg then :) |
| 14:40 | <@jed> | ah, so you crawl the bottom of the bucket |
| 14:40 | <sadiq> | jed: linode doesn't colo it's own hardware? |
| 14:40 | <@jed> | I see |
| 14:40 | <@jed> | sadiq: yes, we do, we own every piece of hardware |
| 14:41 | <sadiq> | mmm |
| 14:42 | <RobertMeta> | jed, 80%+ hit rate these days from what I hear, so, the majority of things do resolve. We actually don't know who the list builder buys / how they get the data |
| 14:42 | <RobertMeta> | they just send us a new DB monthly. |
| 14:42 | <@jed> | do you have an exit plan for when this company gets closed by the FTC? |
| 14:42 | <alg> | :D |
| 14:42 | <RobertMeta> | I am a consultant :) |
| 14:42 | <@jed> | good |
| 14:42 | <alg> | hahahahaha |
| 14:42 | <RobertMeta> | I get cash, and have other clients. |
| 14:42 | <randallman> | Theres yer exit strategy :) |
| 14:43 | <RobertMeta> | but, FTC has investigated them... umm, 11 times in 21 years :) |
| 14:43 | <RobertMeta> | DOJ multiple times. |
| 14:43 | <@jed> | I am Jack's complete lack of surprise |
| 14:43 | <RobertMeta> | but, nothing seems to stick. |
| 14:43 | <randallman> | Glad to hear our agencys are so effective :) |
| 14:43 | <RobertMeta> | randallman, I think they have to change the LAWS to make anything stick. |
| 14:43 | <randallman> | Jed, NICE... you know that movie was centered around Delaware? |
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| 14:43 | <RobertMeta> | The laws are written such that no single person can give you X/Y and Z |
| 14:43 | <RobertMeta> | but ... as long you buy them all seperate, and don't ever give them back up |
| 14:44 | <RobertMeta> | you can make up magic scores (Equifax Score, Confidence Score, etc) |
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| 14:44 | <RobertMeta> | and, low and behold, the X score maps nearly perfectly to Y -- with a little jitter to keep the clients coming back and unsure |
| 14:44 | <randallman> | heh |
| 14:44 | <RobertMeta> | don't want a 1:1 mapping where the client can horde old data, gotta keep 'em guessing |
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| 14:45 | <randallman> | Sigh irsend SEND_ONCE DCT700 1 1 5 about 50% of the time goes to 115, about 20% of the time goes to 11, and about 30% of the time lands on channel 1 (on demand) |
| 14:45 | <randallman> | I cant possible stick the emitter ANY closer to the receiver |
| 14:45 | <randallman> | short of cracking the case open and hard wiring the xmiter with the receiver :) |
| 14:45 | <randallman> | which probablyt wouldnt even work anyway |
| 14:45 | <RobertMeta> | jed, I have worked for government in security, and companies like the one I spoke of, I just don't trust anything theses days... until a privacy amendment passes... which it seems like no one wants except me. |
| 14:45 | <RobertMeta> | Facebook, Foursquare, etc. |
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| 14:46 | <RobertMeta> | shouldn't people want to protect thier porn habits, seriously. |
| 14:47 | <jeremiah_> | Did someone say porn? |
| 14:47 | <chesty> | !furryporn |
| 14:49 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 14:49 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
| 14:50 | <chemosh> | <3 |
| 14:50 | <sadiq> | jed: sorry, I had to nip. You're paying per-incident stuff because you're colocating the hardware. You'll only get charged by SL/Rackspace/et al if you want their assistance for software issues. The hardware is covered by them. |
| 14:51 | <sadiq> | jed: linode has some cool features (like the ones you mentioned) but once they're costing you $250/server/month, they start to get a little pricey. |
| 14:52 | <sadiq> | (and once you go beyond the 4GB packages, it ramps up even quicker) |
| 14:53 | <sadiq> | which has the net effect that I can't really integrate with linode properly, as I know i'll have to move as soon as I outgrow the mid-range servers. |
| 14:55 | <SelfishMan> | sadiq: are you sure about that? Considering the hardware you get for 4GB linode instances it is still probably a better buy |
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| 14:57 | <sadiq> | SelfishMan: you're still sharing that hardware with 4 other customers. |
| 14:57 | <majorp> | hey guys/gals. i've just set up an new linode using ubuntu 9.10. i followed the guide but can't seem to set my locale. |
| 14:58 | <alg> | RobertMeta nowdays few things are private |
| 14:58 | <SelfishMan> | sadiq: on an 8 core system that (at worst) gives you two dedicated cores. How much does rackspace charge for an equal piece of hardware with the same transit? |
| 14:58 | <alg> | unless one does hardly uses internet |
| 14:58 | <majorp> | when i type locale it gives me this - http://drp.ly/AHH2W |
| 14:58 | <majorp> | with no locale! |
| 14:58 | <alg> | anyone here knows something about linksys ruters? |
| 14:58 | <alg> | :D |
| 14:59 | <apeiron> | yeah, they suck |
| 14:59 | <SelfishMan> | linksys doesn't make routers |
| 14:59 | <sadiq> | SelfishMan: Rackspace is always pricey. SoftLayer, NetDepot or company will sell you a dual core with 4GB of ram and two disks (as I pointed out earlier) for less than half the 4GB VM cost. For the extra $150, you could probably drop in some decent disks too. |
| 14:59 | <sadiq> | SelfishMan: as people point out, it's not really the CPU that tends to be the problem, it's nearly always IO. |
| 14:59 | <SelfishMan> | but is it the same hardware? |
| 15:00 | <SelfishMan> | dual core could mean a 5 year old intel proc |
| 15:00 | <sadiq> | well 2.13Ghz/2.4Ghz Core2. |
| 15:00 | <SelfishMan> | I guarantee that the IO from a softlayer host at half the price will perform at around 25% of what a linode will do |
| 15:01 | <sadiq> | got anything to base that on? |
| 15:01 | <SelfishMan> | you are also assuming that softlayer has a stable network and isn't being null routed |
| 15:01 | <SelfishMan> | yes, first hand experience |
| 15:01 | <SelfishMan> | and a intel core2 processor is a lot different than what you will get out of 2 cores on the average linode host |
| 15:02 | <sadiq> | not substantially. |
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| 15:02 | <sadiq> | but even if it is, you can spend an extra $20-30/month and get something equivalent. |
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| 15:03 | <SelfishMan> | you are comparing a p4 in your basement to big iron located in equinix |
| 15:03 | <sadiq> | i'm going by the L5520s that are in my Linode VMs. |
| 15:03 | <SelfishMan> | well, you have made up your mind so why are you even here? |
| 15:03 | <sadiq> | because i'm a Linode customer. |
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| 15:03 | <sadiq> | i'm just disappointed the pricing becomes so uncompetitive as it scales up. |
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| 15:04 | <sadiq> | SelfishMan: not sure how softlayer is in my basement. :-S |
| 15:04 | <Peng> | Some of this conversation reminds me of discussions about Slicehost's pricing. "Yes, but we have good support!" |
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| 15:05 | <TheJoe> | So I'm about to clear my hard drive, going back to Linux as my main OS. Does anyone here think there's any point in using 64-bit Linux over 32 (other than RAM) |
| 15:05 | <SelfishMan> | sadiq: you're right. your basement is better than softlayer |
| 15:05 | <webdeveloper8> | Hi. I need help previewing my html emails in MS Outlook. Will anyone be kind enough to help me test for a few minutes? |
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| 15:05 | <TheJoe> | Considering also that I'd be using Arch |
| 15:05 | <sadiq> | Peng: I really want to be able to integrate with Linode's APIs and be confident that I can just keep on scaling up as my business grows. Unfortunately the fact things start to get so expensive as you go up means I can't really do that, which disappoints me. |
| 15:06 | <SelfishMan> | if you don't know why you need a 64bit distro then you don't need one |
| 15:06 | <sadiq> | TheJoe: how much ram do you have? |
| 15:06 | <TheJoe> | sadiq: 2GB, but that's liable to change soon |
| 15:06 | <sadiq> | TheJoe: there's very little reason to go with 32-bit these days. |
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| 15:07 | <SelfishMan> | Peng: my experience with slicehost and rs cloud hosting in no way indicates the support is good |
| 15:08 | <chesty> | just proprietary apps that aren't that stable on 64bit, ie flash |
| 15:08 | <SelfishMan> | is flash stable on any platform? |
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| 15:08 | <chesty> | that was going to be my next line |
| 15:09 | <TheJoe> | I rely on Youtube too much, that could be a problem |
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| 15:09 | <chesty> | you can run userspace (or some of it) in 32bit |
| 15:10 | <Peng> | SelfishMan: Oh? I have no complaints. Nonetheless, that wasn't the point. |
| 15:10 | <sadiq> | TheJoe: if you're running a recent version of Ubuntu, it shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 15:11 | <TheJoe> | sadiq: I'll be going with Arch |
| 15:11 | <sadiq> | TheJoe: oh, no idea then. |
| 15:11 | <chesty> | the poor mans gentoo |
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| 15:13 | <A-KO> | hmm, anyone here ever do database design? What would you recommend for a flexible attribute/schema? Unfortunately, there's no telling necessarily in specifics what data someone would need to store in this database. Since it's used by research students, each study could be something entirely different. I recommend a database per study, but they don't always have an IT guy on-hand to design the database......And they want a single "one-size-fits-a |
| 15:13 | <A-KO> | it seems from a performance perspective it's a very bad way to do it |
| 15:14 | <A-KO> | the current design suffers from a terrible case of spreadsheet syndrome--and it ended up breaking (no surprise there!) and now they're looking for someone to fix it, and to me, fixing it means "doing it properly." |
| 15:15 | <SelfishMan> | store the data as xml |
| 15:15 | <SelfishMan> | the database itself could be standard KV pairs then |
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| 15:15 | <A-KO> | yeah, but wouldn't you end up with tons of duplicate data? |
| 15:16 | <A-KO> | kind of defeats the purpose of using a relational db :P |
| 15:16 | <SelfishMan> | depends how it is done |
| 15:16 | <SelfishMan> | well, without a definition of the data structure a relational db is pretty useless |
| 15:16 | <A-KO> | think a mix of relational objects and xml for the data would be a better idea? |
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| 15:21 | <A-KO> | you should see the mysql database that it's stored in |
| 15:21 | <A-KO> | it makes the baby jesus cry |
| 15:21 | <A-KO> | essentially, the guy who wrote it lets you create your own forms, which then makes its own table in the DB, with its own schema, and data. |
| 15:22 | <A-KO> | so there's like 150 tables, all numbered |
| 15:22 | <A-KO> | like form_100, form_101, etc. |
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| 15:41 | <quantum> | so I have a question, I am travelling to China and will be there for a month. To overcome the firewall I am thinking of installing openvpn on my linode. But I think I need to set it up as a bridge so that when I connect to it from my laptop I get the linode IP while browsing. Is that correct? |
| 15:41 | <quantum> | I have only worked with PPTP before, and there you always get the server's IP as the wan IP while browsing |
| 15:41 | <quantum> | but PPTP on linux doesn't support compression and this will be a good way for me to learn openvpn |
| 15:42 | <jforman> | huh? no. setup a routed vpn using openvpn, run squid on your node, and point your browser at the other end of the vpn tunnel |
| 15:43 | <quantum> | so I will run squid on the openvpn ip (eg 10.0.0.1)? |
| 15:43 | <jforman> | whatever you configure as your VPN subnet, that might be the IP. |
| 15:43 | <Solver> | right, routed openvpn will work just fine |
| 15:44 | <quantum> | okay thanks. |
| 15:44 | <Solver> | if you ser the default route over the vpn you don't even need a squid proxy |
| 15:44 | <quantum> | I am a bit confused but maybe I just need to read up on it |
| 15:44 | <quantum> | yes not using a proxy would be the most ideal |
| 15:44 | <Solver> | to the world you appear to be browsing from a data centre :) |
| 15:45 | <Solver> | which doesn't matter of course |
| 15:45 | <quantum> | I did set up openvpn on a work machine in the routed mode, and I can connect to it and all fine, but when I browse from home it just shows my comcast IP |
| 15:46 | <jforman> | Solver: reset the default route? no, that's just incorrect. if he's in china, he cant set the default gateway to his linode IP. how would his computer in china know how to get anywhere past the local network? |
| 15:46 | <Solver> | sounds like you did not set it have the def route go over the vpn |
| 15:46 | <Solver> | jforman: the def route is over the vpn |
| 15:46 | <Solver> | which is what I said |
| 15:46 | * | Solver has done this many times |
| 15:46 | <quantum> | where is the option to set default route over the vpn? |
| 15:46 | <Solver> | it's in the conf file |
| 15:46 | <Solver> | should be obvious |
| 15:47 | * | Solver will look at a config.. |
| 15:47 | <jforman> | quantum: read the openvpn docs, there is a "push" option you must set |
| 15:48 | <quantum> | okay thanks for the pointer. I will look at it |
| 15:48 | <quantum> | currently i have route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:48 | <Solver> | push "redirect-gateway" |
| 15:48 | <Solver> | that's it |
| 15:49 | <quantum> | sweet thanks |
| 15:49 | <quantum> | I will try that |
| 15:49 | <Solver> | quantum: and your linode will need to NAT you |
| 15:52 | <quantum> | Solver: thanks. I will need to read up on that too |
| 15:52 | <Solver> | NATting is easily done through iptables |
| 15:53 | <quantum> | I just eth0 to tun0? |
| 15:53 | <Solver> | I'm planning to put some more openvpn & NAT examples online but I'm not sure when I'll be doing it :) |
| 15:54 | <Solver> | quantum: not sure what you mean? |
| 15:54 | <Solver> | setting the def route to go over the vpn? |
| 15:54 | <Solver> | setup your vpn server and then set the push line above on the server |
| 15:54 | <Solver> | and openvpn will take care of the rest |
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| 15:55 | <quantum> | okay, I will try that |
| 15:55 | <quantum> | thanks again, Solver |
| 15:55 | <tcsh> | is push_redirect what tells it to put all traffic to the remote? |
| 15:55 | <Solver> | here is a quick sample config: |
| 15:55 | <Solver> | http://practicalsysadmin.com/wiki/index.php/Openvpn.conf |
| 15:55 | <Solver> | I'm planning to put a lot more info on line |
| 15:56 | <Solver> | but I think you said you had got it working before anyway |
| 15:56 | <quantum> | yeah, but it didn't occur to me to save the conf files |
| 15:56 | <Solver> | tcsh: right. it sets the default route to pass over the vpn. you can do it manually but that is nicer |
| 15:56 | <Solver> | in general |
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| 15:59 | <Solver> | quantum: well those examples should get you started by remember that isn't necessarily for your exact situation |
| 15:59 | <Solver> | I plan to put a few samples up but the problem is time of course :) |
| 16:00 | <quantum> | Solver: Thanks, appreciate all the help |
| 16:00 | <Solver> | quantum: np. good luck :) |
| 16:00 | <quantum> | also can you recommend a good book/text for networks and stuff? |
| 16:01 | <Solver> | I have a nice setup at one site where clients can toggle their routes on a per host basis and appear to come from different parts of the 'net |
| 16:01 | <Solver> | quantum: I do all my research online these days but it's a personal preference |
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| 16:01 | <Solver> | google/search-engine-of-choise is your friend :) |
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| 16:02 | <Solver> | quantum: if you want general networking knowledge you could find worse sources than wikipedia. seriously, the network stuff is a solid foundation |
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| 16:02 | <quantum> | I mean I don't want a bookdeSolver: Yes I agree. Google can be of trmeendous help but I sometimes feel it can leave gaps in the knowledge |
| 16:03 | <Solver> | quantum: did you want to know more about openvpn or networking in general? |
| 16:03 | <Solver> | there is an openvpn book although I haven't bought it. |
| 16:04 | <quantum> | hrm, I think a networking textbook for a CS class would be perfect |
| 16:04 | <chemosh> | curious. what is the difference between a VPN and setting up a SSH tunnel? I never got that part. |
| 16:04 | <quantum> | like Tanenbaum's computer network |
| 16:04 | <Solver> | for introductory networking, WP is actually very good IMHO. If you want to grok networks, make sure you understand CIDR :) |
| 16:04 | <Solver> | chemosh: a standard ssh tunnel is a one-tcp port affair. ssh can now act as a vpn though |
| 16:05 | <quantum> | I have read about CIDR notation, but still need a solid grip on that |
| 16:05 | <Solver> | understanding it will put you ahead of 90% of 'IT professionals' right out of the starting blocks ;) |
| 16:06 | <quantum> | Sometimes I wonder how I ever got my previous job of being a network analyst at a NOC |
| 16:06 | <Solver> | and understand IP, TCP, etc. Read up on SCTP, IPv6 |
| 16:06 | <Solver> | :) |
| 16:06 | <Solver> | few people have deep networking knowledger |
| 16:06 | <quantum> | I mean I knew BGP and Cisco IPX |
| 16:06 | <quantum> | but it still boggles me somtimes |
| 16:06 | <Solver> | BGP is a rare skill :) |
| 16:06 | <quantum> | sometimes* |
| 16:07 | <quantum> | It was a part of connecting our university to i2 |
| 16:07 | <Solver> | wireshark network comms and learn what the different parts means |
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| 16:08 | <Solver> | anyway I have to go clean house :) |
| 16:08 | <Solver> | quantum: good luck with the vpn set up |
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| 16:08 | <quantum> | thanks |
| 16:08 | <quantum> | again |
| 16:09 | <Solver> | np :) |
| 16:09 | <quantum> | later |
| 16:09 | <Solver> | cyas :) |
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| 16:09 | <pknetworks> | issues in fremont again? |
| 16:10 | <jkwood> | !ping-fremont |
| 16:10 | <pknetworks> | !ping fremont |
| 16:10 | <linbot> | pong |
| 16:11 | <jkwood> | !mtr-fremont |
| 16:11 | <linbot> | jkwood: (mtrfremont <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://64.62.228.217/mtr.cgi?target_host=$1". |
| 16:11 | <jkwood> | Bad linbot. |
| 16:11 | <pknetworks> | haha.. |
| 16:11 | <rsdehart> | !mtr-jkwood |
| 16:11 | <jkwood> | !jkwood |
| 16:11 | * | linbot slaps jkwood |
| 16:12 | * | rsdehart snickers |
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| 16:12 | <pknetworks> | how can I move my linode from datacenter to data center? |
| 16:12 | <Talman> | I'm not seeing issues in fremont. |
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| 16:12 | <pknetworks> | I want to get off fremont.. I always seem to have issues. |
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| 16:13 | <Talman> | pknetworks, you can migrate. I think its either in LPM or file a ticket. |
| 16:13 | <jforman> | pknetworks: file a ticket to migrate, shut down your node, push button to do it. |
| 16:13 | <Talman> | ALso, have you run an mtr from you to your box? |
| 16:14 | <pknetworks> | no I have not.. |
| 16:14 | <pknetworks> | let me do that just to give the info. |
| 16:14 | <pknetworks> | here is the IP of the linode. |
| 16:14 | <pknetworks> | 74.207.249.21 |
| 16:16 | <Talman> | What OS do you have? |
| 16:16 | <Talman> | on the PC you're on. |
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| 16:16 | <Talman> | I don't need your IP, you'll be running the mtr yourself. |
| 16:16 | <Talman> | !winmtr |
| 16:16 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 16:16 | <Talman> | That's the software. |
| 16:17 | <Talman> | It'll tell you where the problem is. |
| 16:18 | <pknetworks> | I am losing packets at HE and GBLX router.. |
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| 16:18 | <Talman> | Granted, someone here wil have to intrepret that data for you. |
| 16:18 | <pknetworks> | where can I past the MTR? |
| 16:18 | <Talman> | !mtr-fremont |
| 16:18 | <linbot> | Talman: (mtrfremont <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://64.62.228.217/mtr.cgi?target_host=$1". |
| 16:18 | <Talman> | get "past" the MTR? |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | pknetworks: install mtr on your local computer, and then run it targeting your IP |
| 16:19 | <pknetworks> | I just did. ;) WHere can I past the results. |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | !pb |
| 16:19 | <Talman> | Hey, caker, my copy of winmtr won't resolve anything but my linode's... |
| 16:19 | <linbot> | http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | ^-- there |
| 16:19 | <Talman> | ty. |
| 16:19 | <pknetworks> | Thanks. :) |
| 16:19 | <Talman> | Anyway, is this a setting on my dd-wrt router? :) |
| 16:19 | <Talman> | Cause its showing loss for everything BUT my linode. |
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| 16:21 | <Talman> | ah, lovely, no response from host for everything but my linode. |
| 16:22 | <pknetworks> | ok that is strange.. it was just a spike or something.. everthing is fine now. HAHAHA |
| 16:23 | <pknetworks> | well.. I am wrong.. HAHAHA |
| 16:24 | <pknetworks> | I think I know the answer to this ? but if I migrate to a different data center, my IP ( s ) will change am I correct? |
| 16:24 | <stan_theman> | pknetworks: yes |
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| 16:29 | <timerickson> | Hello |
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| 16:30 | <MTecknology> | has anyone ever tried to run kvm or something similar on a linode? |
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| 16:33 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: off the top of my head, i don't think kvm will work; consider a linode as a quad-processor machine without hardware virtualization support. however, anything that does software virtualization should work... |
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| 16:33 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: I wouldn't want to personally - I was just curious how that would work |
| 16:34 | <timerickson> | I setup from a stackscript yesterday and now PHP is turning back as error 502 |
| 16:34 | <timerickson> | any thoughts? |
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| 16:35 | <timerickson> | HTML works fine |
| 16:35 | <timerickson> | as seen here: http://owavo.com/ |
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| 16:37 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: in theory, it'd work the same way it'd work on a "real" cpu without VT support. practical implementation is a good way to spend a rainy saturday :-) |
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| 16:37 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: :P - it's actually very sunny in this land - a lot of things are working correctly today - magic happened when I woke up |
| 16:37 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: that page loads for me without error. is there anything in your error log? |
| 16:38 | <timerickson> | That page is HTML. See www.owavo.com/index.php |
| 16:38 | <timerickson> | This is the stack I deployed https://www.linode.com/stackscripts/view/?StackScriptID=42 |
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| 16:39 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: ah... it's rainy and the last day for my saturday volunteer project of the last few whiles, and it ended on a rather crappy (but unavoidable) note, so i'm projecting a bit :-) |
| 16:40 | <MTecknology> | oh |
| 16:40 | <timerickson> | This shows up in the error log |
| 16:40 | <timerickson> | 2010/03/13 16:40:30 [error] 2522#0: *60 connect() failed (111: Connection refused) while connecting to upstream, client: 66.41.152.220, server: www.owavo.com, request: "GET /index.php HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://127.0.0.1:9000", host: "owavo.com" |
| 16:42 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: hmmm... is the php-fpm handler running? sounds like it's not |
| 16:43 | <timerickson> | HoopyCat: According to htop, yes. |
| 16:43 | <timerickson> | 2530 root 15 0 21388 3156 1060 S 0.0 0.9 0:00.00 /usr/local/bin/php-fpm --fpm-config /etc/php-fpm.conf |
| 16:43 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: it looks like the script goes with a rather unconventional and somewhat creative method of installing php, so while i'm familiar with php via fastcgi, i'm not sure what to look for in specific |
| 16:43 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: does /etc/php-fpm.conf tell it to listen on 127.0.0.1 port 9000? |
| 16:45 | <timerickson> | HoopyCat: I see no mention of that in the php-fpm.conf file |
| 16:45 | <timerickson> | Also, I found this in the stackscript code |
| 16:45 | <timerickson> | #sockets > ports. Using the 127.0.0.1:9000 stuff needlessly introduces TCP/IP overhead. |
| 16:46 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: protip: when your employer cans you and distributes your 401k, deposit it immmmmediately into a rollover IRA, for the love of god. |
| 16:46 | <timerickson> | sed -i 's/<value\ name="listen_address">127.0.0.1:9000<\/value>/<value\ name="listen_address">\/var\/run\/php-fpm.sock<\/value>/' /etc/php-fpm.conf |
| 16:46 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: they moved the headstones but they didn't move the bodies |
| 16:47 | <dhoss> | bahahaha |
| 16:47 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: ya used a few words I have yet to understand :P |
| 16:47 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: i bet nginx is still set for 127.0.0.1:9000 |
| 16:48 | <timerickson> | Should it not be? |
| 16:49 | <timerickson> | Here's my nginx conf |
| 16:49 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: php-fpm has to be listening where nginx is looking for it... whether it's a unix or tcp socket, they've gotta match. easiest would be to change listen_address in php-fpm.conf to 127.0.0.1:9000 |
| 16:49 | <timerickson> | http://pastie.org/868340 |
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| 16:50 | <timerickson> | okay. the listen address is currently set as /var/run/php-fpm.sock |
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| 16:51 | <MTecknology> | timerickson: you're trying to have nginx work with php? |
| 16:51 | <timerickson> | yes |
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| 16:51 | <MTecknology> | I used php-cgi and a script to spawn the session |
| 16:52 | <timerickson> | Aha, setting the listen address to 127.0.0.1:9000 works |
| 16:52 | <Talman> | Hey, Hoopy. |
| 16:52 | <Talman> | I got FreePBX to work by actually thinking. |
| 16:52 | <timerickson> | Any reason why I shouldn't be using ports instead of sockets like the stackscript suggests? |
| 16:52 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: last taxpayer of the day got fired last may and her pre-tax retirement account got liquidated; while her federal taxes were fine, she owes the state $BIGNUM because nothing got withheld and the retirement account liquidation counts as taxable income :-( |
| 16:52 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: ouch |
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| 16:53 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: in theory, it'll take a few more microseconds to open connections if you use tcp instead of unix sockets. i usually find tcp sockets are less of a PITA, especially if you run the php handler as a different username than the web server |
| 16:54 | <HoopyCat> | timerickson: it's a religious thing :-) |
| 16:54 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: i bet you used one of my stupid howtos and it led you astray |
| 16:55 | <timerickson> | HoopyCat: Well, thanks! |
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| 16:56 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: yeah. crap like this is why i could never be a doctor... i mean, it's great when someone's getting a huge tax refund, but man... when the kleenex come out, it suuucks |
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| 16:57 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: it's more than just an itty bitty bit faster to use a socket - from what I read it's pretty noticable in high loads. Also better because you don't tie up a port for it |
| 16:57 | <Peng> | Erk, why am I exchanging 25 Kbps of SSH traffic with some IP, without anything getting logged? |
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| 16:57 | <HoopyCat> | then, of course, the state tax form is like "wtf you owe us too much!! ur gonna hafta pay a penalty and pay quarterly estimated taxes" so i had to convince it that this was a one-time thing |
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| 16:58 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: wow.. |
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| 16:59 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: yeah, there's more than a little overhead going on, but i consider it a premature optimization thing :-) hasn't adversely impacted my benchmarking times |
| 16:59 | <pwnguin> | for some reason, when you mentioned doctor, i was imaginging people with kleenex coming out of inappropriate places |
| 17:03 | <HoopyCat> | pwnguin: no, no, the whole "i'm sorry, but your child is dead" end of things |
| 17:07 | <mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 17:07 | <HoopyCat> | caker: he doesn't get cake?! |
| 17:08 | <MTecknology> | WOW! for this show they got their kid a dress that's 2,000 and a thing leotard that's 350... |
| 17:08 | <MTecknology> | their justification is that it's an investment on her future |
| 17:09 | <MTecknology> | toddlers in tiaras |
| 17:10 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: hmmm... well, is it an activity they're persuing with a reasonable expectation of a profit? |
| 17:11 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: the kids get a trophy if they win |
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| 17:12 | <dejanr> | hi, how long does it take for new account to get enabled? |
| 17:13 | <dejanr> | cause as i see payment has arrived to linode |
| 17:13 | <Peng> | dejanr: It should have just been authorized, not actually charged. |
| 17:13 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: if it's an investment in her future, there better be a schedule C involved... that's all i'm saying. |
| 17:13 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: schedule c? |
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| 17:14 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: the form used to report profit or loss from a business |
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| 17:15 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: oh- i think if there was 1/2 the people would drop out |
| 17:15 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: some of the biggest pagents will let the person win 5,000 - but they ones that win usually drop >10,000 on it |
| 17:15 | <HoopyCat> | MTecknology: if you're flying around and whoring up your toddler with that much bank, you best be doing it as a business and not a hobby, or else you're crazy |
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| 17:16 | <MTecknology> | HoopyCat: :P - you should watch this show - it's just really messed up |
| 17:17 | <HoopyCat> | i also have my "if you can't file Schedule C-EZ, it's time to either jump ship or uncage the tiger" policy, which is more controversial |
| 17:17 | <dejanr> | any admin could check my acc? |
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| 17:19 | <marmida> | anybody running ubuntu jaunty run into a problem whereby certain non-kernel packages don't seem to exist? Like trac and wsgi? |
| 17:19 | <HoopyCat> | dejanr: how long ago was it, roughly? been about an hour since a staffer has been seen on IRC. stick around and someone is bound to show up. |
| 17:19 | <bob2> | dejanr: you didn't get an email asking for more info? |
| 17:19 | <HoopyCat> | marmida: check /etc/apt/sources.list -- universe is commented out by default on minimal ubuntu installs (like yours) |
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| 17:21 | <marmida> | yeah, hurr, that was it. maybe that changed from the 8.x linode install to be commented out? or maybe that's a ubuntu thing. |
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| 17:22 | <HoopyCat> | marmida: i believe it's ubuntu's way of making sure you know you're leaving the core software :-) |
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| 17:22 | <marmida> | yeah, i know what you mean, i just don't remember uncommenting it on my other (8 series) ubuntu linodes. anyway, thanks, that was retarded of me. |
| 17:23 | <HoopyCat> | marmida: eh, don't sweat it. happens more often than you'd think :-) |
| 17:23 | <Peng> | Sigh. I guess a crazy SSH bot is a good reason to enable my firewall again... |
| 17:23 | <marmida> | so I bet this channel hears this question all the time, but when is backup coming out of beta? |
| 17:24 | <Peng> | Eventually! |
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| 17:24 | <@caker> | when it's ready. |
| 17:24 | <Peng> | Hi caker. :D |
| 17:24 | <@caker> | o/ |
| 17:25 | <Peng> | dejanr: Look, it's an admin. |
| 17:26 | <Peng> | dejanr: Also: Check your email. |
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| 17:26 | <Peng> | Looks like the crazy SSH bot is constantly connecting and disconnecting, without causing enough activity to get logged. |
| 17:26 | <dejanr> | coool, its up and running ty guys |
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| 17:26 | <Peng> | Which is fortunate, I guess, cuz it'd really spam my logs... |
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| 17:42 | <Flue> | Where is the apache configuration file held? |
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| 17:46 | <Flue> | Anyone offer some advice, trying to set up SVN through apache, the tutorial links to another tutorial for setting up httpauth and passworded accounts in apache, which then tells me to edit the <directory> under the configuration file, which one though? |
| 17:46 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: which distribution? |
| 17:47 | <Flue> | Ubuntu Karmic |
| 17:47 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf (or is it just apache?) is the config, i believe; most of the cool stuff will be under /etc/apache2/sites-available/ (see /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ for all of the symlinks currently being used) |
| 17:48 | <Flue> | HoopyCat: Is that what the first part of this tutorial wants me to change? http://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/authentication-based-access-control-with-apache |
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| 17:49 | <Flue> | HoopyCat: within apache2.conf, not sure which part to add these tags, as I can't see anywhere they would be required. |
| 17:52 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: you'd put the directives whereever apache is configured to serve that which you want to secure... e.g. if you have /etc/apache/sites-available/example.com for serving example.com, and you want to secure http://example.com/goats/, it'd go somewhere in that file. or, typically, in an .htaccess file whereever http://example.com/goats/ physically resides |
| 17:53 | <Flue> | HoopyCat: ok, so if i understand correctly (which i doubt). I'd place a .htaccess file in /srv/svn/flue (where my svn repository is) to allow httpauth of its users their? |
| 17:55 | <bob2> | no, set that up in /etc/apache2/sites-available/whatever |
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| 17:56 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: that'll work, if AllowOverrides is enabled (apache can be configured to ignore .htaccess files), but it means you'll have configuration in two different places. in general, the answer is "put it whereever you configure other things related to that directory" |
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| 17:58 | <Flue> | Whats wrong with this command: root@flue:/etc/apache2# htpasswd -c /srv/auth/svn/flue.htpasswd flue |
| 17:58 | <Flue> | htpasswd: cannot create file /srv/auth/svn/flue.htpasswd |
| 17:59 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: what's ls -ld /srv/auth/svn say? |
| 17:59 | <Flue> | no such file or directory |
| 17:59 | <Flue> | HoopyCat: mkdir? |
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| 18:03 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: yup |
| 18:04 | <HoopyCat> | these directories ain't gonna create themselves |
| 18:04 | <Flue> | HoopyCat: Thanks, that worked. created a username/password, going to set up virutal host and see what happens. |
| 18:04 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: the lines to use that htpasswd file would go within that virtual host configuration :-) |
| 18:05 | <Flue> | HoopyCat: umm. . . could ya give an example? I'm attempting to setup a svn. |
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| 18:07 | <Flue> | HoopyCat: Ahh think tutorial taking me through it now :) |
| 18:08 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: once you're on the other end of that process, the htpasswd thing will make more sense :-) |
| 18:11 | <HoopyCat> | !metar kjfk |
| 18:11 | <randallman> | <HoopyCat> these directories ain't gonna create themselves |
| 18:11 | <HoopyCat> | !wx kjfk |
| 18:11 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KJFK: 50.0F/10C, visibility 4 miles, wind 43.73 mph (altimeter: 29.52) [KJFK 132251Z 08038G57KT 4SM -RA BR BKN014 BKN021 OVC032 10/08 A2952 RMK AO2 PK WND 08058/2217 SLP996 P0003 T01000078] |
| 18:12 | <randallman> | That one needs to get saved somewhere :) |
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| 18:12 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: feature request for !wx: note wind gusts in the decode, for maximum effect (e.g. KJFK 132251Z 08038G57KT) |
| 18:13 | <HoopyCat> | !newercalc 57 knots in mph |
| 18:13 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: urmom |
| 18:13 | <HoopyCat> | that explains the flight cancellations |
| 18:13 | <randallman> | !wx 19803 |
| 18:13 | <linbot> | randallman: [metar] 19803: not found |
| 18:13 | <randallman> | blah |
| 18:13 | <randallman> | !wx kphl |
| 18:13 | <linbot> | randallman: [metar] OBS at KPHL: 50.0F/10C, visibility 4 miles, wind 19.56 mph (altimeter: 29.38) [KPHL 132301Z 09017G26KT 4SM -RA BR SCT008 OVC015 10/09 A2938 RMK AO2 PK WND 09026/2255 P0000] |
| 18:14 | <randallman> | only 20mph here... |
| 18:14 | <randallman> | it was crankin' early |
| 18:15 | <Flue> | HoopyCat: Can you see anything wrong with my host file? http://pastebin.com/YGGCWA9t |
| 18:16 | <Flue> | I get the default It works page at: http:// flue.blueapp.com/ and at http://flue.blueapp.com/flue which the svn tutorials tells me to go to i get no directory found |
| 18:16 | <randallman> | namevirtualhost I assume? |
| 18:17 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: flue.blueapp.com doesn't exist in the DNS... aside from that, are you seeing anything in /srv/www/flue.blueapp.com/logs/access.log ? |
| 18:17 | <randallman> | Where's your DocumentRoot statement? |
| 18:17 | <randallman> | Or is that not applible with DAV? |
| 18:18 | <randallman> | applicable? |
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| 18:18 | <Flue> | N/A - not shown in the svn tutorial so i haven't put it their |
| 18:18 | <randallman> | k |
| 18:18 | * | HoopyCat defers to the people-who-have-used-apache-recently |
| 18:18 | <randallman> | I just got a fistfull on the RHCE |
| 18:18 | <randallman> | but it was all basic :) |
| 18:18 | <Flue> | cat /srv/www/flue.blueapp.com/logs/access.log returns nothing |
| 18:18 | <HoopyCat> | !wx kroc |
| 18:18 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 41.0F/05C, visibility 10 miles, wind 17.26 mph (altimeter: 29.75) [KROC 132254Z 05015G22KT 10SM -RA FEW020 OVC035 05/01 A2975 RMK AO2 PK WND 07034/2224 SLP080 PCPN VRY LGT P0000 T00500011 ] |
| 18:18 | <randallman> | and our svn @$work, we dont use DAV |
| 18:19 | <randallman> | Flue, I assume you're sending a Host: header of flue.blueapp.com |
| 18:19 | <randallman> | e.g. with hosts file? |
| 18:19 | <randallman> | since its not in DNS? |
| 18:19 | <Flue> | Sorry, very new to this, don't quite understand |
| 18:19 | <randallman> | well |
| 18:19 | <Flue> | I've got a DNS with freedns.afraid.org |
| 18:19 | <MarkJ> | I just use svn+ssh everywhere now |
| 18:19 | <randallman> | I believe the default debian config is NameVirtualHost. |
| 18:19 | <MarkJ> | works well |
| 18:20 | <HoopyCat> | 2318z, wind 060 at 16, visability 10, light rain, sky condition few 2000 overcast 3500, temperature 04, dew point 01, altimeter 2976 |
| 18:20 | <randallman> | and there's probably something that says NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 18:20 | <randallman> | as a result, the IP address you have listed falls within *:80 |
| 18:20 | <randallman> | so... |
| 18:20 | <Flue> | flue.blueapp.com pending A 109.74.201.76 |
| 18:20 | <HoopyCat> | sorry, flue.blueapp.com IS in the dns, i typoed it :-) |
| 18:20 | <randallman> | When youre trying, are you going http://thatIP? |
| 18:20 | <randallman> | oh |
| 18:20 | <randallman> | typofail :P |
| 18:21 | <randallman> | Yeah it works :) |
| 18:21 | <HoopyCat> | Flue: and you restarted apache since adding that config file, right? :-) |
| 18:21 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 18:21 | <Flue> | lol, its kl. What do you think i've done wrong then? why wouldn't it show me the svn repository when i went to http://flue.blueapp.com/flue as the tutorial says |
| 18:21 | <Flue> | yea, i'll restart again |
| 18:21 | <randallman> | stop and start |
| 18:21 | <randallman> | not reload |
| 18:21 | <randallman> | sometimes it gets funky |
| 18:21 | <randallman> | and even a graceful wont reread it |
| 18:21 | <Flue> | oo, kk :) |
| 18:21 | <randallman> | btw, learned something else |
| 18:21 | <randallman> | why is apache called apache |
| 18:21 | <randallman> | it was originally the NSCA HTTPD |
| 18:22 | <HoopyCat> | randallman: because it's a pile of patches atop ncsa httpd :-) |
| 18:22 | <randallman> | and... eventually it was more patch than original code :) |
| 18:22 | <randallman> | So it was 'A Patchy Webserver' :P |
| 18:22 | <randallman> | Yeah, how about that - I never knew |
| 18:22 | <Flue> | same messages |
| 18:23 | <randallman> | Flue, best as I can tell it |
| 18:23 | <randallman> | it's not selecting that VHost for whatever reason or another |
| 18:23 | <randallman> | So its not logging to /srv/www/flue.blueapp.com/logs ? |
| 18:23 | <Flue> | I didn't change anything in apache2.conf |
| 18:23 | <Flue> | Should i change anything their? |
| 18:23 | <randallman> | instead its logging to /var/log/apache2 ? |
| 18:24 | <Flue> | nothing is written in either log files |
| 18:24 | <randallman> | I find that hard to blieve |
| 18:24 | <randallman> | it would log the hit somewhere |
| 18:24 | <randallman> | as long as the original httpd.conf were intact |
| 18:24 | <randallman> | it would most likely log to the original files... |
| 18:25 | <Flue> | I've seeing a GET /flue within /var/log/apache2 |
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| 18:25 | <Flue> | which i assume is me typing in http://flue.blueapp.com/flue |
| 18:25 | <randallman> | RIght |
| 18:25 | <randallman> | so its not even matching your new virtual host |
| 18:25 | <randallman> | for some reason or another |
| 18:25 | <Flue> | for some reason its not selecting the <location> properly within my virtual host file |
| 18:25 | <randallman> | else it'd be logging to the other files (assuming that they can be written there) |
| 18:25 | <Flue> | shall i put the document root as the svn repository? |
| 18:26 | <randallman> | Just try it |
| 18:26 | <randallman> | for the shits and grins |
| 18:26 | <randallman> | why dav tho? |
| 18:27 | <Flue> | anything else easier to use? |
| 18:27 | <Flue> | I choose it because its the tutorial linode has |
| 18:27 | <randallman> | Oh I see yes we use dav too |
| 18:27 | <randallman> | <Location /cscrepos> |
| 18:27 | <randallman> | DAV svn |
| 18:27 | <randallman> | SVNPath... etc... |
| 18:28 | <Flue> | DocumentRoot /srv/svn/flue/ ? |
| 18:28 | <randallman> | we also do not have a DocumentRoot |
| 18:28 | <Flue> | what in earth could it be then? |
| 18:28 | <randallman> | LoadModule dav_module modules/mod_dav.so |
| 18:28 | <randallman> | You did that right? |
| 18:29 | <randallman> | LoadModule dav_fs_module modules/mod_dav_fs.so |
| 18:29 | <randallman> | and that |
| 18:29 | <Flue> | never heard of that |
| 18:29 | <randallman> | moreover, that's the non-debian/ubuntu way |
| 18:29 | <randallman> | in mods-enabled, is mod_dav.so there |
| 18:29 | <randallman> | /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 18:29 | <randallman> | *dav* |
| 18:29 | <randallman> | not mod_dav.so |
| 18:30 | <randallman> | its so different in ubuntu/debian |
| 18:30 | <Flue> | dav_svn |
| 18:30 | <Flue> | .load and .conf |
| 18:30 | <randallman> | k |
| 18:30 | <randallman> | we use SVNPath |
| 18:30 | <randallman> | not SVNParent |
| 18:30 | <Flue> | what can i try next? |
| 18:31 | <randallman> | SVNPath /svn_repository/cscrepos/svn |
| 18:31 | <randallman> | path to your repo |
| 18:31 | <randallman> | try that :) |
| 18:31 | <randallman> | but again, I dont think its matching your vhost |
| 18:31 | <randallman> | go to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and grep for NameVirt |
| 18:31 | <randallman> | its probably in 000-default |
| 18:32 | <Flue> | anything i shoudl delete when changing SVNPATH? |
| 18:32 | <Flue> | How i grep? |
| 18:33 | <Flue> | grep flue.blueapp.com ?? |
| 18:33 | <randallman> | cd /etc/apache2/sites-enabled; grep NameVirt * |
| 18:33 | <jkwood> | !f grep |
| 18:33 | <linbot> | jkwood: grep is a command line text search utility originally written for Unix. The name is taken from the first letters in global / regular expression / print, a series of instructions in text editors such as ed. The grep command searches files or standard input globally for lines matching a given regular expression, and prints them to the program's standard output. |
| 18:34 | <randallman> | linbot is a veritable compendium of useful fun facts to know and tell! :P |
| 18:34 | <Flue> | output: http://pastebin.com/BjxLduMG |
| 18:35 | <randallman> | wrong output |
| 18:35 | <randallman> | see above command |
| 18:35 | <Flue> | changed SVNPATHPARENT to SVNPATH = /srv/svn/flue |
| 18:35 | <Flue> | if i hit return to a copy and paste of that command, i get nothing |
| 18:36 | <randallman> | what other files are in that directory? |
| 18:37 | <Flue> | README.txt conf db format hooks locks |
| 18:37 | <randallman> | and flue.blueapp.com ? |
| 18:37 | <Flue> | root@flue:/srv/www/flue.blueapp.com# ls |
| 18:37 | <Flue> | logs |
| 18:38 | <randallman> | no I think we're not on the same page |
| 18:38 | <randallman> | you put the file flue.blueapp.com into /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 18:38 | <randallman> | What other files are in that dir? |
| 18:38 | <Flue> | i didn't put the file their, i did a2ensite flue.blueapp.com - if that helps. I'll get ls of that directory |
| 18:39 | <Flue> | root@flue:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# ls 000-default designaspects.silk.com flue.blueapp.com cyprusvillas.uk.to designaspects.uk.to |
| 18:39 | <randallman> | Ok does designaspects.silk.com work? |
| 18:39 | <Flue> | yup |
| 18:39 | <randallman> | and cyprusvillas.uk.to works? |
| 18:39 | <randallman> | and they are different doc roots? |
| 18:40 | <randallman> | and they log properly into thier respective logfiles? |
| 18:40 | <Flue> | yes both work, both go to diff doc roots, and both log successfully in diff log files |
| 18:40 | <randallman> | do be one more favor |
| 18:40 | <Flue> | anything ^^ |
| 18:40 | <randallman> | egrep "<Virtual" designaspects.silk.com |
| 18:40 | <randallman> | in that dir please |
| 18:41 | <Flue> | <VirtualHost 109.74.201.76> |
| 18:41 | <randallman> | wow interesting |
| 18:41 | <randallman> | everything *looks* right |
| 18:41 | <Flue> | i've done something wrong in setting up the svn then? |
| 18:41 | <Flue> | but all the files are their |
| 18:41 | <randallman> | no because your attempts to access that vhost |
| 18:41 | <randallman> | should be logged in the proper files |
| 18:41 | <randallman> | and for some reason, they are not |
| 18:42 | <randallman> | even if DAV and SVN werent working |
| 18:42 | <randallman> | You could try to just throw a DocuemntRoot in here and remove/comment the location statements |
| 18:42 | <randallman> | and see if they behave normally like a normal vhost |
| 18:42 | <randallman> | and then re-add statements, finishing lastly with the authconfig stuff |
| 18:43 | <Flue> | what are comments in these files ? <!-- --> ?? |
| 18:43 | <randallman> | # |
| 18:43 | <randallman> | See the other configs for reference to that :) |
| 18:43 | <jkwood> | # I'm a happy little comment |
| 18:44 | <randallman> | // Im way happier, get out of my way |
| 18:44 | <randallman> | /* But Im the coolest of all */ |
| 18:45 | <Flue> | cheers |
| 18:45 | <randallman> | <!-- Im not sure what to think about myself --> |
| 18:45 | <jkwood> | ; I thought I was cool once. |
| 18:45 | <randallman> | dnl Perhaps later we could chat |
| 18:46 | <Flue> | hmm |
| 18:46 | <Flue> | i've done that |
| 18:46 | <Flue> | but still it works |
| 18:46 | <randallman> | (seriously you had to laugh when I busted out the M4 comment) |
| 18:47 | <jkwood> | REM I'm not allowed to be self aware |
| 18:47 | <randallman> | Oh, you're getting all O-G on my ass :) |
| 18:47 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 18:47 | <Flue> | lol |
| 18:47 | <Flue> | hmm well why da .. . . . wouldn't my document root work now? |
| 18:48 | <jkwood> | C I could be self-aware, if only someone was smart enough to code AI in FORTRAN |
| 18:48 | <randallman> | Flue, so you commented all of the joyous statements out and just added a DocumentROot and you still cant get to a file on that doc root? |
| 18:49 | <randallman> | and the access/errors arent being logged? |
| 18:49 | <jkwood> | http://www.gavilan.edu/csis/languages/comments.html <-- Interesting reading. |
| 18:49 | <randallman> | %! Im a postscript comment! |
| 18:49 | <Flue> | checking access logs, i added document root |
| 18:49 | <Flue> | and put # on every <location> line still nothing jut the default message |
| 18:50 | <randallman> | heh fortran comments start with the first char of the line as 'C'? |
| 18:50 | <Flue> | still nothing |
| 18:50 | <Flue> | in the logs |
| 18:50 | <randallman> | That's interesting |
| 18:50 | <randallman> | Flue, now I'd strace the httpd start |
| 18:50 | <randallman> | to see if it is even READING my file |
| 18:50 | <Flue> | err sorry don't understand, strace the httpd start?? |
| 18:50 | <randallman> | Well |
| 18:50 | <randallman> | it'd be difficult for me to explain |
| 18:50 | <randallman> | strace traces syscalls |
| 18:52 | <randallman> | <![IGNORE[ Such is life ]]> |
| 18:52 | <mangos> | aww emo aww |
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| 18:53 | <randallman> | jkwood, definitely a URI to hold on to :) THe Comment Compendium :) |
| 18:53 | <Flue> | Well as far as i can tell it definately should work and pick up the file |
| 18:53 | <randallman> | Flue, but its not |
| 18:53 | <randallman> | :0 |
| 18:54 | <Flue> | :( :( |
| 18:54 | <randallman> | But generally if it cant read a file, it's going to crib out on startup |
| 18:56 | <Flue> | How can some work with the same setup though, but others not? |
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| 19:01 | <Flue> | right deleted everything |
| 19:01 | <Flue> | going to try again tomorrow after its stopped hating me |
| 19:01 | <Flue> | maybe if it likes me, might work, nite nite all :) thanks all for your help xD |
| 19:01 | <randallman> | Sorry it didn't work out |
| 19:02 | -!- | River_Rat [~me@97-112-155-115.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #linode |
| 19:02 | <Flue> | Its kl, i see what happens tomorrow :) cheers |
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| 19:04 | -!- | River-Rat [~me@97-112-141-33.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] |
| 19:09 | -!- | jarretslater [~c0a89262@69.164.199.240] has joined #linode |
| 19:10 | -!- | jmcoon [~jmcoon@216.139.103.216] has joined #linode |
| 19:10 | <jmcoon> | hello |
| 19:11 | <jmcoon> | Can you scale up your VPS |
| 19:12 | <HoopyCat> | jmcoon: yup! (and back down, of course) |
| 19:12 | <jmcoon> | Cool . also can you chouse what data center you want to be at ? |
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| 19:13 | <mangos> | yes. |
| 19:13 | <jkwood> | Assuming that there are nodes available, yes. |
| 19:13 | <randallman> | 'Show me... Paint the Fence' |
| 19:13 | <randallman> | UP.... DOWN.... UP.... DOWN... |
| 19:13 | <randallman> | :) |
| 19:14 | <dhoss> | WAX ON....WAX OFF |
| 19:14 | <dhoss> | god i love him |
| 19:14 | <dhoss> | may he rip |
| 19:14 | <jmcoon> | Allright and what is a good Free Control Panel ? |
| 19:14 | <randallman> | Pat Morita? |
| 19:14 | <HoopyCat> | jmcoon: http://www.linode.com/avail/ -- all these datacenters are yours except tokyo. attempt no migrations there |
| 19:14 | * | jkwood paints randallman's fence |
| 19:14 | <randallman> | heh |
| 19:14 | <randallman> | tokyo? |
| 19:14 | <jmcoon> | i dont want cpanel or plesk |
| 19:15 | <randallman> | jmcoon, Im partial to VI :) |
| 19:15 | -!- | jarretslater [~c0a89262@69.164.199.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 19:15 | <randallman> | personally :P |
| 19:15 | <jmcoon> | Or i just dont want to pay for it |
| 19:15 | <dhoss> | randallman: yes, pat morita |
| 19:15 | <randallman> | but then again I dont host sites for others to manage |
| 19:15 | <jkwood> | Most of us just use ssh access. |
| 19:15 | <HoopyCat> | jmcoon: some folks like webmin, some folks like ispconfig. i use vim and etckeeper, myself :-) |
| 19:15 | -!- | fatalerrorx [fatalerror@c122-107-211-186.mckinn3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linode |
| 19:16 | * | jkwood painstakingly administers his system with sed, grep, and cut |
| 19:16 | <fatalerrorx> | my subdomain isn't working |
| 19:16 | <randallman> | paste too |
| 19:16 | <randallman> | and sometimes tee :P |
| 19:16 | <fatalerrorx> | i put an entry in A/AAAA Records |
| 19:16 | <randallman> | But never awk, that cheapens the experience of ironman sysadmin! |
| 19:16 | <fatalerrorx> | i put "forum" then my ip |
| 19:17 | <jkwood> | randallman: Exactly. |
| 19:18 | <jmcoon> | Right now im hosting all my sites on the Rackspace cloud sites system. Im just trying to cut down the bills . Ahhh |
| 19:18 | -!- | fritteritter [423d62fa@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #linode |
| 19:19 | * | jkwood roundcubes HoopyCat |
| 19:19 | * | HoopyCat makhanis chicken |
| 19:19 | <HoopyCat> | afk |
| 19:20 | <fritteritter> | does anyone have a recommendation for a free/cheap hosting control panel? i'm thinking about pushing clients from shared to vps but want to give them a decent control panel |
| 19:20 | <jmcoon> | How much per is it if i go over my bandwith ? |
| 19:20 | <fatalerrorx> | any help with my subdomain prob?? |
| 19:21 | <fritteritter> | jmcoon, i read $.10/GB in the FAQ |
| 19:21 | <jmcoon> | Thats all? Wow nice !! :D |
| 19:21 | <jmcoon> | So do you people like Linnode ? |
| 19:21 | <fatalerrorx> | i do |
| 19:21 | <jkwood> | Yes, very much. |
| 19:22 | <jkwood> | Also, as far as the bandwidth goes, they usually don't worry if you go over a bit. |
| 19:22 | <bob2> | fatalerrorx: what domain is it? |
| 19:22 | <fritteritter> | oops nope, $.15/GB if you go over... or you can increase it in advance at $.10/GB |
| 19:22 | <fatalerrorx> | bob2 can i pm |
| 19:22 | <bob2> | meh |
| 19:22 | <jmcoon> | Is it better than slicehost ? |
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| 19:22 | <jkwood> | If it becomes a regular thing, you can buy an extra 100 megs for a dollar a month, or upgrade to a bigger plan without much disruption. |
| 19:22 | <jkwood> | I think it's better than Slicehost, at least from what I've heard. |
| 19:23 | <jkwood> | Of course, Slicehost also doesn't offer Slackware, which is a dealbreaker for me. |
| 19:23 | <jmcoon> | How is the upload speed on the VPS ? |
| 19:23 | <fritteritter> | jmcoon, seems that debate has been going on for years, i just started researching this week and came to the same conclusion |
| 19:23 | <bob2> | you're not going to hit the upload cap |
| 19:23 | <jkwood> | It'll handle whatever you can throw at it. |
| 19:23 | <jkwood> | !download |
| 19:23 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/speedtest |
| 19:24 | <fatalerrorx> | simple question do you add subdomain in the A/AAA section? |
| 19:24 | <jkwood> | That's not an upload test, but you'll be able to upload just as fast (assuming you're not limited on your upload, like most users.) |
| 19:24 | <bob2> | fatalerrorx: depends what 'subdomain' means to you |
| 19:24 | <fatalerrorx> | A/AAAA Records |
| 19:24 | <bob2> | fatalerrorx: you add A/AAAA records using that section |
| 19:24 | <fatalerrorx> | forum.example.com |
| 19:24 | <jmcoon> | i saw Conan was useing Linode . |
| 19:24 | <fatalerrorx> | forum is subdomain |
| 19:24 | <bob2> | if you have no idea, it is probably what you want |
| 19:25 | <bob2> | forum is a name in your domain |
| 19:25 | <fatalerrorx> | ok |
| 19:25 | <fatalerrorx> | so i did it worng? |
| 19:25 | <jkwood> | I wasn't aware of that, but it doesnt' surprise me. xkcd has a server with them, and some of the OFTC nodes are Linodes. |
| 19:25 | <jkwood> | mibbit.com also uses Linode. |
| 19:25 | <bob2> | if you tell us the name, we can check if it exists on linode's nameservers |
| 19:25 | <bob2> | and THE ONION |
| 19:25 | <fatalerrorx> | wisestocktrader.com |
| 19:26 | <fatalerrorx> | forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 19:26 | <bob2> | fatalerrorx: it is fine |
| 19:26 | <bd_> | wisestocktrader.com. 172800 IN NS ns1.linode.com. |
| 19:26 | <bob2> | fatalerrorx: perhaps you tried to access it before the 15 minutes were up, and now your ISP has cached the "doesn't exist" response |
| 19:26 | <bd_> | forum.wisestocktrader.com. = li76-26.members.linode.com. |
| 19:26 | <fritteritter> | any control panel suggestions? I want to get my clients' sites off of a shared host but they will still need some basic email and site control |
| 19:27 | <fatalerrorx> | yeah but forum.wisestocktrader.com doesn't work |
| 19:27 | <jkwood> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5109 |
| 19:27 | <linbot> | New news from forums: geo dns in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5301>; |
| 19:27 | <jkwood> | Good listing there. |
| 19:27 | <bd_> | fatalerrorx: works for me. maybe you're seeing a cached DNS entry? |
| 19:28 | <fatalerrorx> | does it |
| 19:28 | <fatalerrorx> | i see my ips dns error page |
| 19:28 | <fatalerrorx> | isp* |
| 19:28 | <bd_> | sounds like your ISP has cached the nonexistent entry |
| 19:28 | <jkwood> | Ah, ISP dns caching. |
| 19:29 | <jkwood> | What a crock. |
| 19:29 | <bd_> | nothing you can do but wait for it to expire. |
| 19:29 | <randallman> | NXDOMAIN caches for the base TTL of the zone I believe |
| 19:29 | <fritteritter> | yep, works for me as well, gotta love the wait |
| 19:29 | <bd_> | base ttl of 24 hours looks like |
| 19:29 | <fatalerrorx> | oh wait |
| 19:29 | <fatalerrorx> | without www |
| 19:29 | <randallman> | RFC2308 whee |
| 19:29 | <fatalerrorx> | it works |
| 19:29 | <fatalerrorx> | but it takes me to the site |
| 19:29 | <fatalerrorx> | not the forum |
| 19:30 | <bd_> | ah, why didn't you say you were trying www.forums.wisestocktrader.com? :) |
| 19:30 | <bd_> | check your vhost config |
| 19:30 | <fatalerrorx> | whats that |
| 19:30 | <fatalerrorx> | :) |
| 19:31 | <fritteritter> | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/examples.html those VirtualHost directives have ServerName and DocumentRoot directives in them |
| 19:32 | <fritteritter> | you would need to add one with ServerName forums.wisestocktrader.com and DocumentRoot wherever the forums are |
| 19:33 | <fritteritter> | i see the forum now |
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| 19:33 | <fritteritter> | but it's also at the homepage :) |
| 19:34 | <jmcoon> | Any one use ravencore? |
| 19:35 | <fatalerrorx> | ah crap |
| 19:35 | <fatalerrorx> | i moved my vhost entry up |
| 19:35 | <fatalerrorx> | damn |
| 19:35 | -!- | LinodeJavaUser [~LinodeJav@180.191.8.236] has joined #linode |
| 19:37 | <jmcoon> | This Java IRC app is crap .. haahahah just saying .. |
| 19:38 | <@Perihelion> | So use a real one :o |
| 19:38 | <jkwood> | jmcoon: I blame mikegrb for that. He never has been able to make coffee worth a darn. |
| 19:38 | <jmcoon> | Whats the irc sever ? |
| 19:39 | <jmcoon> | is it just irc.linode.com? |
| 19:39 | <jkwood> | irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:40 | <JarretSlater> | jmcoon is now JarretSlater |
| 19:41 | <jkwood> | Congratulations. Your mother must be very proud. |
| 19:41 | <JarretSlater> | umm ok ... |
| 19:42 | -!- | Redgore2 [~redgore@93-97-202-241.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #linode |
| 19:42 | <@Perihelion> | \o/ |
| 19:42 | <jkwood> | Perihelion is also proud. |
| 19:43 | <jkwood> | Hmm... I believe I should amend the rules. |
| 19:43 | <JarretSlater> | No crap ... |
| 19:43 | <@Perihelion> | ? |
| 19:44 | <JarretSlater> | Im sold . Setting up a Linode account as we speak . |
| 19:45 | <jkwood> | !therules |
| 19:45 | <linbot> | The rules: (#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) jkwood is utterly insane |
| 19:45 | <jkwood> | There we go. |
| 19:45 | <LinodeJavaUser> | Hello, Can I have a test IP for Linode in Fremont, Ca? |
| 19:45 | <jkwood> | !download |
| 19:45 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/speedtest |
| 19:46 | <jkwood> | LinodeJavaUser: ^ |
| 19:46 | <@Perihelion> | Perihelion is the resident evil. |
| 19:46 | * | Perihelion >:3 |
| 19:46 | <Talman> | ok, did fremont start experincing problems? |
| 19:46 | <Talman> | Or is my webmin a fucking moron. |
| 19:46 | -!- | Smark is now known as Smark[Gone] |
| 19:47 | <Talman> | >> I'm guessing webmin is a fucking moron. |
| 19:48 | <jkwood> | Perihelion: You're staff, so that's sort of assumed. |
| 19:48 | <LinodeJavaUser> | nick sfm |
| 19:48 | -!- | LinodeJavaUser is now known as sfm |
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| 19:48 | -!- | Redgore2 is now known as Redgore |
| 19:48 | <jkwood> | Also, *groan* |
| 19:48 | <sfm> | uhmm. can I use shoutcast in Linode? |
| 19:48 | <jkwood> | !f what can I do with my linode? |
| 19:48 | <linbot> | jkwood: What can I do with my Linode? It's probably easier to tell you what you cannot do: Nothing illegal and nothing that interferes with other customers and services. Our Terms of Service document is located here: http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm |
| 19:49 | <Talman> | Yes. |
| 19:49 | <Talman> | Yes you can. I do. |
| 19:50 | <sfm> | can a Linode 360 in fremont handle a 50 listener slot on 320 kbps? |
| 19:51 | <X-LP> | es |
| 19:51 | <Yaakov> | I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE |
| 19:51 | <X-LP> | yes |
| 19:51 | <jkwood> | I TUNA FISH SANDWICH TO THE MAX |
| 19:51 | <stefanie> | Yaakov: I LOVE YOU TOO |
| 19:52 | <Yaakov> | STEFANIE, LOVE, MY HEART BEATS MORE QUICKLY TO KNOW YOU ARE HERE |
| 19:53 | <chesty> | you're anxious because she's here? |
| 19:53 | <chesty> | relax dude, take a chill pill |
| 19:53 | <jkwood> | chesty: It's the only anxiety in his life. |
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| 19:54 | <jkwood> | chesty: stefanie is the only thing that stands between Yaakov and his love for pparadis. |
| 19:54 | <jkwood> | chesty: Your name is really fun to type. |
| 19:54 | <Yaakov> | That's wrong. It is a 3-way lovefest. |
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| 19:55 | <jkwood> | Yaakov: Of course it's wrong. I started talking. |
| 19:55 | <Yaakov> | jkwood: You shouldn't drink alone. |
| 19:56 | <jkwood> | But I don't drink. |
| 19:56 | <Yaakov> | That makes it even more important. |
| 19:56 | <jkwood> | I shall treasure this bit of wisdom forever. |
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| 19:59 | <jkwood> | Or until I forget about it, perhaps due to looking at pictures of cats with words on them. |
| 20:00 | <stefanie> | jkwood: http://citifield.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/dr-tinycat.jpg |
| 20:01 | <jkwood> | Dah... SO CUTE |
| 20:01 | <tacticus> | :O |
| 20:01 | <fatalerrorx> | need help wisestocktrader.com goes to my subdomain forum.wisestocktrader.com |
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| 20:02 | <fatalerrorx> | and www.forum.wisestocktrader.com doesn't work gives me a dns error |
| 20:03 | <chesty> | you have two problems as far as i see it |
| 20:03 | <chesty> | first, your apache virtual host set up is broken |
| 20:04 | <chesty> | second, if you're using the linode dns, you have to make forum a sub domain, and add an A for www and @ |
| 20:04 | <chesty> | you get @ by leaving the host field blank |
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| 20:09 | <Yaakov> | jkwood: http://kovaya.com/p/ndac.jpg?ol |
| 20:10 | <JarretSlater> | Is there a Promotion Code know? for Linode ? |
| 20:10 | <bob2> | unlikely |
| 20:11 | <mangos> | !referral |
| 20:11 | <linbot> | Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 |
| 20:11 | <jkwood> | Yaakov: That's brilliant. |
| 20:12 | <fatalerrorx> | chesty i have both those things |
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| 20:12 | <chesty> | !dns www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 20:12 | <linbot> | chesty: Host not found. |
| 20:13 | <bob2> | can't you just add an A for www.forum ? |
| 20:13 | <JarretSlater> | Should my data center be Atlanta, GA |
| 20:13 | <chesty> | i thought you couldn't with the linode dns manager, but i don't know |
| 20:13 | <chesty> | obviously you can with bind |
| 20:13 | <JarretSlater> | there no natural disasters there right? |
| 20:14 | <bob2> | it accepted it |
| 20:14 | <bob2> | lets see if it servers it in 23 seconds |
| 20:14 | <chesty> | oh, if you want a wildcard entry, you need the sub domain |
| 20:14 | <bob2> | er serves |
| 20:15 | <bob2> | JarretSlater: http://tinyurl.com/fzh4h |
| 20:16 | <JarretSlater> | What is the Swap Disk??? |
| 20:17 | <bob2> | leave the default |
| 20:17 | <JarretSlater> | That cant be the Ram ? |
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| 20:17 | <JarretSlater> | is was at 256? should i move it up to 512mb |
| 20:17 | <bob2> | leave the default |
| 20:18 | <JarretSlater> | ok |
| 20:20 | -!- | Smark is now known as Smark[Gone] |
| 20:22 | <Peng> | JarretSlater: There are natural disasters everywhere. |
| 20:24 | -!- | Smark[Gone] is now known as Smark |
| 20:25 | <JarretSlater> | love the Linode Iphone App |
| 20:25 | <jkwood> | Perihelion: I can haz Linode Android App? |
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| 20:26 | <JarretSlater> | Is there a Android app also i have a Droid also . |
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| 20:26 | <bob2> | on your bikes, the iphone app only uses public apis |
| 20:27 | <JarretSlater> | Ahh i hate ISP config . |
| 20:28 | <jkwood> | JarretSlater: I believe there is progress on a super-sekrit Android app in the works. |
| 20:28 | <Yaakov> | I want a Linode app for my Commodore™ PET®. |
| 20:28 | <JarretSlater> | Cool! .. |
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| 20:29 | <jkwood> | If not, I'll work on one as soon as I get an Android phone. |
| 20:29 | <Yaakov> | Just for the record, and to be perfectly clear, I am not a woman. |
| 20:29 | <fatalerrorx> | !dns www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 20:30 | <fatalerrorx> | !dns www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 20:30 | <linbot> | fatalerrorx: Host not found. |
| 20:30 | <bob2> | fatalerrorx: either you didn't add it, or haven't waited 15 minutes |
| 20:32 | <fatalerrorx> | !dns www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 20:32 | <linbot> | fatalerrorx: Host not found. |
| 20:32 | <fatalerrorx> | i added www.forum |
| 20:32 | <fatalerrorx> | i added www.forum |
| 20:32 | <fatalerrorx> | !dns www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 20:32 | <linbot> | fatalerrorx: Host not found. |
| 20:33 | <bob2> | no need to keep doing this in the channel over and over |
| 20:33 | <bob2> | if you've added it, you need to wait 15 minutes |
| 20:33 | <fatalerrorx> | :) |
| 20:34 | <jkwood> | !multidns www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 20:34 | <linbot> | http://revip.info/multidns/www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 20:34 | <jkwood> | There ya go. |
| 20:34 | <jkwood> | Just refresh that once in a while. |
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| 20:35 | <bob2> | there, working |
| 20:36 | <GatorKram> | anyone else having intermitent problems out of dallas? my vpn keeps stalling |
| 20:36 | <chesty> | !mtr |
| 20:36 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 20:40 | <HoopyCat> | !mtr-dallas framboise.hoopycat.com |
| 20:40 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: [mtr] framboise.hoopycat.com: 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 40.6ms |
| 20:40 | <JarretSlater> | what is the SSH app on OSX ? |
| 20:40 | <HoopyCat> | dallas can reach me fine |
| 20:41 | <JarretSlater> | called |
| 20:41 | <bob2> | 'ssh' |
| 20:41 | <HoopyCat> | JarretSlater: ssh |
| 20:41 | <jkwood> | !mtr-dallas lazy.slaxer.com |
| 20:41 | <linbot> | jkwood: [mtr] lazy.slaxer.com: 2 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.4ms |
| 20:41 | <JarretSlater> | Never Mind it terminal . |
| 20:42 | <fatalerrorx> | !dns www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 20:42 | <linbot> | fatalerrorx: Host not found. |
| 20:43 | <GatorKram> | !mtr-dallas www.dslreports.com |
| 20:43 | <linbot> | GatorKram: [mtr] www.dslreports.com: 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 40.3ms |
| 20:43 | <GatorKram> | well, something is going on, heh |
| 20:44 | <SelfishMan> | nothing is going on |
| 20:44 | <jkwood> | NOTHING IS HAPPENING |
| 20:44 | <HoopyCat> | fatalerrorx: www.forum.wisestocktrader.com has address 74.207.234.26 |
| 20:44 | <jkwood> | NOTHING IS BROKEN |
| 20:44 | <jkwood> | EVERYTHING IS FINE |
| 20:44 | <GatorKram> | cant expect to catch an intermiten problem, with a instant ping/trace |
| 20:45 | <HoopyCat> | fatalerrorx: negative caching ttl for wisestocktrader.com is 86400 seconds (or 1 day); try !dns again in 24 hours and it should work fine |
| 20:45 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:45 | <GatorKram> | seems fine right now, of course, lol |
| 20:45 | <HoopyCat> | GatorKram: that's why mtr is delicious |
| 20:46 | <SelfishMan> | GatorKram: I have been very active in all 5 DCs for the last two hours without a single hint of a problem. It is very likely that some router between you and the interwebs is being a whiny little bitch |
| 20:47 | <@Perihelion> | Im having issues with a few things as well so I think someone broke the interwebz |
| 20:47 | <SelfishMan> | and yes, "whiny little bitch" is the technical term for a router not routing |
| 20:47 | <GatorKram> | was only happening on the vpn though, if I went without it, no issue at all, so its more likely, between my linode, and the hosts in question |
| 20:47 | <@Perihelion> | It's not Linode specific I don't think |
| 20:47 | <fatalerrorx> | HoopCat: ok thanks |
| 20:47 | <fatalerrorx> | is this channel recorded? |
| 20:47 | <GatorKram> | anyone could log it |
| 20:47 | <fatalerrorx> | ie logged? |
| 20:47 | <@Perihelion> | Yes |
| 20:47 | <fatalerrorx> | damn |
| 20:48 | <@Perihelion> | Why? |
| 20:48 | <GatorKram> | not seeing any hanging now of course.. |
| 20:48 | <fatalerrorx> | i don't want my domain name and irc name connected |
| 20:48 | <GatorKram> | as soon as you look at the hanging, it runs and hides |
| 20:48 | <SelfishMan> | Dear #linode logs: Please document me thoroughly stating that Steve Gibson is a moron. That is all. |
| 20:48 | <fatalerrorx> | my boss would flip |
| 20:49 | <@Perihelion> | why o_O |
| 20:49 | <SelfishMan> | oh noes! teh interwebs know ur domain name! |
| 20:49 | <SelfishMan> | !flailwildly |
| 20:49 | <SelfishMan> | jkwood: !flailwildly trigger plz |
| 20:49 | <@Perihelion> | \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ |
| 20:49 | <HoopyCat> | fatalerrorx: it's an IRC channel with 314 users; i'd be shocked if it weren't logged |
| 20:49 | <@Perihelion> | VS_ChanLog <-- |
| 20:49 | <SelfishMan> | I log it, alter the logs to better fit my needs, then publish the logs in the local newspaper |
| 20:50 | <jkwood> | !flailwildly |
| 20:50 | * | linbot flops around helplessly |
| 20:50 | <@Perihelion> | !fire jkwood |
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| 20:50 | <chesty> | you fired stefanie, you bastard |
| 20:51 | <@Perihelion> | Fire is not a valid command...perhaps it should be |
| 20:51 | <HoopyCat> | fatalerrorx: for what it's worth, the logs are big, boring, and full of crap; odds are good noone will ever notice |
| 20:51 | <SelfishMan> | linbot: /nick immatrout |
| 20:51 | <HoopyCat> | !newguy |
| 20:51 | * | linbot wraps london's breaker panel around some haddock and throws it at bkaplan |
| 20:51 | <SelfishMan> | who the hell is bkaplan? |
| 20:52 | <@Perihelion> | I think psandin and I are both newer |
| 20:52 | <jkwood> | The fish-smelling gentleman in the corner. |
| 20:52 | <HoopyCat> | someone's obviously not been keeping that up to date |
| 20:52 | <chesty> | freshmeat |
| 20:52 | <SelfishMan> | I maintained !newguy for the first 4 iterations. Someone else needs to take over |
| 20:52 | <HoopyCat> | i maintained it for the following 4 iterations |
| 20:53 | <chesty> | i maintained the 4 after that |
| 20:53 | <jkwood> | !newguy |
| 20:53 | * | linbot makes a rope out of Maryland and lassoes Perihelion |
| 20:53 | <mikegrb> | I maintaned the first iteration |
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| 20:54 | <@Perihelion> | O_O |
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| 20:54 | <HoopyCat> | it'd be a lot easier if mikegrb didn't keep removing the "odd-looking" crossconnect on the fax line |
| 20:54 | <@Perihelion> | I think im lucky number 13 or something |
| 20:54 | <SelfishMan> | mikegrb: we have heard aboot your "maintenance" techniques |
| 20:54 | -!- | zack is now known as Guest849 |
| 20:55 | <mikegrb> | HoopyCat: you seem to be under some delusion that we have a fax line |
| 20:55 | <SelfishMan> | Perihelion: 14. There was that guy that we don't talk about anymore. |
| 20:55 | * | mikegrb runs away to smoke |
| 20:55 | <@Perihelion> | yeah including him |
| 20:55 | <mikegrb> | SelfishMan: there were two of those |
| 20:55 | <jkwood> | s/smoke/hide the body/ |
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| 20:55 | <SelfishMan> | mikegrb: I assumed my statement properly anonymized all of them |
| 20:56 | <jkwood> | Remember that time you hired jkwood? He was never heard from again. |
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| 20:56 | <chesty> | was that right before their stock crashed? |
| 20:56 | <TinyAmitz> | yes |
| 20:56 | * | GatorKram slithers back into the swamp |
| 20:57 | <jkwood> | TinyAmitz remembers. |
| 20:57 | <TinyAmitz> | yes, i'm sure. |
| 20:57 | <TinyAmitz> | but there are some subtleties. |
| 20:58 | <TinyAmitz> | And some interesting points |
| 20:58 | <chesty> | unlike urmom |
| 20:58 | <TinyAmitz> | Chesty: i must admit you're good with urmom |
| 20:59 | <chesty> | hehe, nice one |
| 20:59 | <TinyAmitz> | Anyway, what was the question? :-p |
| 20:59 | <@Perihelion> | INCEST |
| 20:59 | <chesty> | nonsense |
| 20:59 | <jkwood> | TinyAmitz: 19:54 < jkwood> Remember that time you hired jkwood? He was never heard from again. |
| 20:59 | <jkwood> | 19:54 -!- TinyAmitz [Amitz@114.121.123.163] has joined #linode |
| 20:59 | <jkwood> | 9:54 < chesty> was that right before their stock crashed? |
| 20:59 | <jkwood> | 19:54 < TinyAmitz> yes |
| 20:59 | <TinyAmitz> | thanks, rarey i have the chance for such comeback :-) |
| 21:00 | <HoopyCat> | !seen restelow |
| 21:00 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: restelow was last seen in #linode 1 year, 25 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 12 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <restelow> i'll keep that in mind |
| 21:00 | <jkwood> | I hope he has. |
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| 21:03 | <TinyAmitz> | jkwood: ah |
| 21:03 | <chesty> | you had me at hello, wonder what made them say goodbye |
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| 21:04 | <GatorKram> | !mtr-dallas justin.tv |
| 21:05 | <linbot> | GatorKram: [mtr] justin.tv: 13 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms |
| 21:05 | <dhoss> | fired |
| 21:05 | <chesty> | didn't dexter come equipped with a neatly organise toolbox full of tools? |
| 21:05 | <warewolf> | man I so miss dexter |
| 21:05 | <GatorKram> | !mtr-dallas 192.205.36.182 |
| 21:05 | <linbot> | GatorKram: [mtr] 192.205.36.182: 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 3.7ms |
| 21:06 | <GatorKram> | Im seeing %18 loss on that ip |
| 21:06 | <chesty> | !ipinfo 192.205.36.182 |
| 21:06 | <linbot> | chesty: IP: 192.205.36.182; rDNS: None; ASN adv net: 192.205.36.0/23; ASN: AS7018; ASN owner: AT WorldNet Services; ASN reg: 1996-07-30; Country: US; Latitude: 38; Longitude: -97; UTC offset: -6; http://revip.info/lookup/192.205.36.182 |
| 21:06 | <GatorKram> | looks like a gateway between att/cog |
| 21:07 | <GatorKram> | it prob just drops icmp if its busy, heh |
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| 21:10 | <HoopyCat> | traffic through the router is hellafast; traffic to/from the router goes through a CPU that is slow enough you can hear it think |
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| 21:11 | <HoopyCat> | there's a bit of an art to interpreting things like mtr |
| 21:11 | <chesty> | no wonder bgp and ospf are so slow |
| 21:11 | <jkwood> | And here I thought that was ME I was hearing thinking. I knew it was too good to be true. |
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| 21:12 | <HoopyCat> | 68HC11 CPU at 8MHz, Implementation 23, Rev 0.2, 0.5KB L2 Cache |
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| 21:13 | <GatorKram> | can someone give me an ip in atlanta I can ping, to see how much the latency is, running my vpn out of dallas for me, adds quite a bit of latency, thinking about moving it, or getting another linode in atlanta for it |
| 21:13 | <bob2> | !download |
| 21:13 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/speedtest |
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| 21:14 | <GatorKram> | thanks |
| 21:16 | <HoopyCat> | man, doing ipv6 on an 8-bit CPU would suck |
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| 21:17 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 21:17 | <GKonSorrow> | lol of course, taking down the vpn, to test the latency, kicks me off irc, lol |
| 21:17 | <GKonSorrow> | 30 vs 60, not much difference |
| 21:18 | <HoopyCat> | 60... milliseconds? round-trip? |
| 21:18 | <GKonSorrow> | yeah |
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| 21:18 | <GKonSorrow> | 30 to atlanta and 60 to dallas, for me, average |
| 21:18 | <HoopyCat> | i don't think that's the problem |
| 21:19 | <GKonSorrow> | oh I know, I was just curious |
| 21:19 | <GKonSorrow> | been thinking about moving to atlanta, for the vpn, but for 30ms not really worth it |
| 21:20 | <GKonSorrow> | arrgg stupid nick |
| 21:20 | -!- | GKonSorrow is now known as GKram |
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| 21:21 | <GKram> | maybe newerk would be less |
| 21:21 | <GKram> | hmm |
| 21:21 | <GKram> | of course, I put the vpn up already |
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| 21:21 | * | GKram smacks himself |
| 21:22 | <HoopyCat> | next time you drop the vpn, you might as well ping the royal flush |
| 21:22 | <HoopyCat> | if you know what i mean ;-) |
| 21:22 | <GKram> | yeah |
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| 21:22 | <GKram> | although london, and california, Im sure arent better |
| 21:22 | <HoopyCat> | GKram: curiously, london is better than fremont for me |
| 21:22 | <GKram> | heh |
| 21:23 | <HoopyCat> | GKram: the outliers are worth it for the amusement |
| 21:23 | <GKram> | newerk might be 15ish for me |
| 21:23 | <GKram> | routing is weird, over here in eastern nc |
| 21:24 | <HoopyCat> | <insert usual rant about traffic from upstate ny to newark going via chicago> |
| 21:24 | <GKram> | what I dont get, is how going from tyler texas, to the box, is adding 15ms |
| 21:24 | <HoopyCat> | <and traffic from here to london not going via chicago, but instead going via newark> |
| 21:24 | <Peng> | Lately my traffic from Florida to The Planet is getting routed through NC and Ashburn. :D |
| 21:24 | <GKram> | heh |
| 21:24 | <HoopyCat> | <and traffic from here to fremont going via syracuse, cleveland, and washington dc, etc, etc> |
| 21:25 | <Peng> | When my ISP merged with another, it looks like the inherited a peering arrangement with TP at Equinix in Ashburn, so if course they're not going to use the normal sane Level 3 route... |
| 21:25 | <Peng> | (Yes, I'm complaining about 10 ms!) |
| 21:25 | <GKram> | 7 17 ms 23 ms 15 ms 66-76-229-166.tyrd.suddenlink.net [66.76.229.166] |
| 21:25 | <GKram> | 8 56 ms 57 ms 63 ms bd.fd.5746.static.theplanet.com [70.87.253.189] |
| 21:25 | <GKram> | those hops, are crazy |
| 21:26 | <GKram> | unless its not where I think it is |
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| 21:26 | <GKram> | I wish everyone used standard geo tags in their reverses |
| 21:27 | <HoopyCat> | GKram: it's crossing into another AS... also very possible the route from 66.76.229.166 to you is shorter than the route from 70.87.253.189 to you |
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| 21:28 | <GKram> | yeah, they are 30ms apart, going over the vpn, to that 66 ip |
| 21:29 | <GKram> | 1 57 ms 52 ms 55 ms 51 ms 53 ms 53 ms 54 ms 53 ms [10.8.0.161] |
| 21:29 | <GKram> | 2 53 ms 52 ms 52 ms 53 ms 52 ms 52 ms 58 ms 53 ms up4.linode.com [67.18.92.3] |
| 21:29 | <GKram> | 3 57 ms 53 ms 52 ms 55 ms 52 ms 52 ms 53 ms 52 ms po101.dsr02.dllstx2.theplanet.com [70.87.254.77] |
| 21:29 | <GKram> | 4 59 ms 54 ms 55 ms 53 ms 53 ms 54 ms 54 ms 53 ms te9-4.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.87.253.125] |
| 21:29 | <GKram> | 5 54 ms 57 ms 53 ms 56 ms 52 ms 52 ms 53 ms 53 ms et3-1.ibr03.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.87.253.21] |
| 21:29 | <GKram> | 6 88 ms 85 ms 86 ms 85 ms 88 ms 86 ms 85 ms 88 ms 66-76-229-166.tyrd.suddenlink.net [66.76.229.166] |
| 21:29 | <HoopyCat> | !p |
| 21:29 | <HoopyCat> | !pastebin |
| 21:29 | <linbot> | http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel |
| 21:29 | <GKram> | sorry |
| 21:29 | <HoopyCat> | one of those buttons'll do it |
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| 21:30 | <GKram> | wonder where the heck it is |
| 21:30 | <GKram> | I know SL has a lot of stuff in texas, figured tyrd was tyler texas |
| 21:30 | <jkwood> | !pasties |
| 21:30 | * | linbot has a sudden wardrobe malfunction |
| 21:30 | <HoopyCat> | GKram: http://p.linode.com/3622 <--- asymmetry ftw |
| 21:32 | <GKram> | !ipinfo 66.76.229.166 |
| 21:32 | <linbot> | GKram: IP: 66.76.229.166; rDNS: 66-76-229-166.tyrd.suddenlink.net; ASN adv net: 66.76.0.0/16; ASN: AS19108; ASN owner: Suddenlink Communications; ASN reg: 2000-11-20; City: Tyler; State: Texas; Postal code: 75701; Country: US; Latitude: 32.318; Longitude: -95.2921; UTC offset: -6; Area code: 903; http://revip.info/lookup/66.76.229.166 |
| 21:32 | <GKram> | see, it is in tyler |
| 21:32 | <HoopyCat> | !ipinfo 70.87.253.189 |
| 21:32 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: IP: 70.87.253.189; rDNS: bd.fd.5746.static.theplanet.com; ASN adv net: 70.84.0.0/14; ASN: AS21844; ASN owner: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc.; ASN reg: 2001-06-29; City: Houston; State: Texas; Postal code: 77002; Country: US; Latitude: 29.7523; Longitude: -95.367; UTC offset: -6; Area code: 713; http://revip.info/lookup/70.87.253.189 |
| 21:32 | <GKram> | is texas 30ms wide? heh |
| 21:33 | <HoopyCat> | GKram: ever driven across texas? |
| 21:33 | <GKram> | yes |
| 21:33 | <GKram> | i-10 |
| 21:33 | <GKram> | takes forever |
| 21:33 | <HoopyCat> | GKram: QED |
| 21:33 | <GKram> | but i dont know where tyler is vs huston |
| 21:33 | * | GKram wanders off to google maps |
| 21:34 | <GKram> | not 30ms far |
| 21:34 | <GKram> | no way |
| 21:34 | <GKram> | or I guess 15, if you count 1 way |
| 21:35 | <GKram> | 179 miles |
| 21:35 | <GKram> | somethings not right |
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| 21:35 | <GKram> | that is some crappy return, imo |
| 21:35 | <HoopyCat> | 1.33ms one-way through fiber... assuming, of course, it's a straight shot between the two places and there's a direct strand of fiber between the two hops |
| 21:36 | <GKram> | but 15? |
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| 21:36 | <fatalerrorx> | !dns www.forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 21:36 | <linbot> | fatalerrorx: 74.207.234.26 |
| 21:37 | <fatalerrorx> | !dns forum.wisestocktrader.com |
| 21:37 | <linbot> | fatalerrorx: 74.207.234.26 |
| 21:37 | <fatalerrorx> | huh |
| 21:37 | <fatalerrorx> | my isp sucks |
| 21:37 | <fatalerrorx> | really bad |
| 21:37 | <bob2> | eh, no |
| 21:37 | <HoopyCat> | GKram: it's about a ~12ms RTT to my default gateway |
| 21:37 | <bob2> | I bet you tried to access it to soon |
| 21:37 | <fatalerrorx> | no worked before |
| 21:37 | <bob2> | and they did the right thing and cached the "DOES NOT EXIST" answer |
| 21:37 | <fatalerrorx> | now it stopped |
| 21:37 | <fatalerrorx> | and i changed nothing |
| 21:38 | <chesty> | just add them to your hosts file temporarily |
| 21:39 | <GKram> | im sitting at 16ms before that hop, via isp direct, then boom 50+ |
| 21:40 | <GKram> | seems odd for 179 miles'ish |
| 21:40 | <GKram> | oh well |
| 21:40 | <fatalerrorx> | well dumb isp period |
| 21:40 | <GKram> | use different dns |
| 21:41 | <GKram> | who still uses their isps dns? heh |
| 21:41 | <JoeK> | not anybody on my home network |
| 21:41 | <JoeK> | ;D |
| 21:41 | <GKram> | heh |
| 21:41 | <HoopyCat> | GKram: traceroutes only show IP routing; they don't indicate underlying stuff (same thing you see with your VPN). if they're like "well, we both have stuff in miami, how 'bout we peer there" and they do it with, say, MPLS or something... there you go. contrived example, of course. |
| 21:42 | * | jkwood peers with HoopyCat |
| 21:42 | <GKram> | yeah |
| 21:42 | <fatalerrorx> | well my isp does |
| 21:42 | <fatalerrorx> | nothing i can do about it |
| 21:43 | <GKram> | something weird is going on there, though, maybe there is a fiber ring, and they exchange data at different ends, after going around the ring a few 100 times |
| 21:43 | <HoopyCat> | fatalerrorx: if you're having issues with your ISP's DNS service, you can (somewhat) easily change that |
| 21:43 | <fatalerrorx> | how? |
| 21:44 | <HoopyCat> | fatalerrorx: http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ and http://www.opendns.com/ are two providers of alternative, freely-available DNS |
| 21:44 | * | jkwood hands fatalerrorx opendns.com |
| 21:44 | <GKram> | 1 vote for opendns here |
| 21:44 | -!- | GKram is now known as GatorKram |
| 21:44 | <pharaun> | i host my own local caching server, it solves a ton of ISP dns issue :-p |
| 21:44 | <HoopyCat> | i use opendns, which has more features but they're a big scary evil company that makes money off of advertising |
| 21:45 | <HoopyCat> | thus, i offer google dns as an alternative |
| 21:45 | * | Peng chokes |
| 21:45 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 21:45 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 21:45 | <fatalerrorx> | thanks |
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| 21:45 | <pharaun> | since when did fedora & ubuntu turn into windows?? |
| 21:46 | <GatorKram> | a lot of people call fedora the windows of linux |
| 21:46 | <pharaun> | i'm noticing that after every single goddamn update |
| 21:46 | <pharaun> | ubuntu and fedora both |
| 21:46 | <pharaun> | bitches at me to reboot |
| 21:46 | <pharaun> | and i'm like... um no |
| 21:46 | <GatorKram> | heh |
| 21:46 | * | jkwood offers up Slackware as an alternative |
| 21:46 | <pharaun> | i mean for kernel upgrade, sure |
| 21:47 | <pharaun> | yeah this is on my work laptop, i don't really have much choice, it was RHEL, or ubuntu |
| 21:47 | <pharaun> | unless i wanted to hack the distro to fucking hell just to get lotus notes to run |
| 21:47 | <GatorKram> | I doubt windows really needs to be reboot as much as it cries about either, even a lot of windows software, says to reboot, its like their default action |
| 21:47 | <pharaun> | i know |
| 21:47 | <HoopyCat> | GatorKram: routing is awesome, and even with a lot of time flying routers, i still have very little insight into why particular decisions are made. good thing is that i'm not officially in the business any more, so i can more effectively pry information out of people with beer |
| 21:47 | <pharaun> | i ignore it all of the time but its just oh so annoying |
| 21:48 | <GatorKram> | Id love to know whats up between those 2 hops |
| 21:48 | <GatorKram> | how much beer we talking? heh |
| 21:49 | <GatorKram> | from the linod box, it looks really funny, almost 0ms, then boom, 30ms, heh |
| 21:50 | <GatorKram> | the only thing I can figure, is its lieing, and its not in tyler |
| 21:50 | <GatorKram> | or it is, and its a microwave link |
| 21:50 | <GatorKram> | heh |
| 21:50 | <HoopyCat> | GatorKram: it's not so much about the quantity of the beer; it's more what kind of beer, and where you apply it |
| 21:50 | <GatorKram> | maybe its just a cable modem |
| 21:50 | <GatorKram> | hmm |
| 21:51 | <GatorKram> | that could almost explain it |
| 21:51 | <JarretSlater> | --------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 21:51 | <JarretSlater> | Your hostname seems to be li78-167, if it is different, enter it now, leave blank if correct |
| 21:51 | <JarretSlater> | UMM Help ? |
| 21:52 | <jkwood> | What would you like your hostname to be? |
| 21:52 | <pharaun> | GatorKram: probably could be the modem |
| 21:52 | <jkwood> | Mine's lazy, as in lazy.slaxer.com |
| 21:52 | <pharaun> | i usually see about 5-10msec jump over the modem |
| 21:52 | <jkwood> | If you have a standard naming scheme for net-connected boxes, use it. |
| 21:52 | <HoopyCat> | JarretSlater: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1178.html |
| 21:53 | <jkwood> | If not, pick one, like Transformers or sports teams or radio personalities from the golden age of radio.... |
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| 21:55 | <JarretSlater> | ok |
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| 21:56 | <HoopyCat> | worse comes to worse, pick a random category on wikipedia with a lot of entries |
| 21:56 | <HoopyCat> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Converts_to_Mormonism |
| 21:57 | <HoopyCat> | hmm, why won't glennbeck mount elijahfordham's shares? |
| 21:57 | <HoopyCat> | (ok, don't pick that category) |
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| 22:00 | <lyetz> | Hey guys, I'm being DDoSed right now |
| 22:00 | <lyetz> | I was wondering if I could retrieve the IPs doing it |
| 22:00 | * | jkwood deactivates his botnet |
| 22:00 | <lyetz> | :o |
| 22:00 | <bob2> | by running tcpdump or looking at your logs |
| 22:00 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:00 | <lyetz> | lol |
| 22:01 | <lyetz> | what logs do I need to look at? |
| 22:01 | <bob2> | ok,instead, in what sense do you think you are being ddosed? |
| 22:02 | <GatorKram> | if you were, and you are on that ip now, you wouldnt be on irc, or its very week, or a single dos, and not ddos, heh |
| 22:02 | <lyetz> | a group of kiddies came right out and told me so |
| 22:02 | <lyetz> | and within minutes |
| 22:02 | <lyetz> | 14GB of bandwidth used |
| 22:03 | <GatorKram> | hehe |
| 22:03 | <GatorKram> | thats a good indication then |
| 22:03 | <lyetz> | yeah, i love when they come right out and say so |
| 22:03 | <lyetz> | :P |
| 22:03 | <HoopyCat> | lyetz: is it inbound or outbound traffic, per the network graphs? |
| 22:03 | <lyetz> | Incoming |
| 22:04 | <HoopyCat> | well, there goes my easy method :-) |
| 22:04 | <GatorKram> | contact your isp, and get them to ignore the incoming traffic on their router |
| 22:04 | <lyetz> | It's my Linode that's being attacked |
| 22:04 | <GatorKram> | well, there ya go |
| 22:04 | <GatorKram> | otherwise, the traffic is still there |
| 22:04 | <lyetz> | I can't get through on the phone either |
| 22:05 | <bob2> | file a support ticket |
| 22:05 | <bob2> | !f time in newark |
| 22:05 | <linbot> | bob2: I'm afraid I can't do that |
| 22:05 | <bob2> | bah, what happened |
| 22:05 | <GatorKram> | its 10:05 pm |
| 22:05 | <HoopyCat> | lyetz: i'd open a ticket; there's relatively few options for blocking the traffic, alas, but they're usually better than burning through the bandwidth |
| 22:05 | <lyetz> | just trying to grab these IPs and add them to the DroneBL right away |
| 22:06 | <GatorKram> | its much better in the hands on linode.com than yours, as far as getting stuff done, imo |
| 22:06 | <GatorKram> | its them under attack, in the end, imo |
| 22:06 | <HoopyCat> | adding them to the dronebl won't do shit, but you can probably use tcpdump to sample some of the traffic for analysis |
| 22:06 | <GatorKram> | and all the routers, and such in between |
| 22:07 | <GatorKram> | if you dont do something, you'll prob end up getting null routed |
| 22:07 | <HoopyCat> | do a "tcpdump -s 0 -w filename.pcap -i eth0" then hit ctrl-C in about ten seconds, then analyze at your leisure |
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| 22:07 | <HoopyCat> | GatorKram: well, doing something usually involves a nullroute |
| 22:08 | <bob2> | less talky more ticket filey |
| 22:08 | <GatorKram> | heh |
| 22:08 | <HoopyCat> | GatorKram: by "relatively few options" i meant "one option" |
| 22:09 | <jkwood> | lyetz: Filing a ticket causes pagers and sirens to go off. |
| 22:09 | <GatorKram> | woop woop woop ding ding ding |
| 22:09 | <HoopyCat> | someone's going to have to open a ticket, and it doesn't sound big enough for them to open a ticket for you :-) |
| 22:09 | <TinyAmitz> | and scare kids away. |
| 22:09 | <GatorKram> | script kitties are ddosing me, for saying your mom smells funny, help! |
| 22:09 | <lyetz> | opened a ticket |
| 22:09 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:09 | <lyetz> | lol jkwood |
| 22:10 | <HoopyCat> | (the big ones end up on status.linode.com) |
| 22:10 | <jkwood> | Go go Perihelion! |
| 22:10 | <@Perihelion> | ? |
| 22:11 | <lyetz> | Well they just threatened me with a 19Gb/sec attack |
| 22:11 | <HoopyCat> | *** Perihelion is now known as Dante_Hicks |
| 22:11 | <bob2> | a) why are you involved with these people to begin with |
| 22:11 | <lyetz> | So anything at this point will help |
| 22:11 | <lyetz> | [17:18][17:18] <xyz> well hes a cool dude |
| 22:11 | <lyetz> | [17:18][17:18] <xyz> and a 19Gbps botnet has his back |
| 22:11 | <bob2> | b) why are you continuing to be involved |
| 22:11 | <lyetz> | I'm not involved whatsoever |
| 22:11 | <HoopyCat> | lyetz: where do you find these people? |
| 22:11 | <bob2> | clearly you are |
| 22:11 | <lyetz> | Joining my IRC networking |
| 22:12 | <lyetz> | just trouble makers |
| 22:12 | <lyetz> | then you zline them, and bam, there go the attacks |
| 22:12 | <HoopyCat> | lyetz: ... |
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| 22:12 | <HoopyCat> | !facepalm |
| 22:12 | <linbot> | http://picardfacepalm.com/ ... |
| 22:12 | <jtsage> | HoopyCat- ayie! get out of my head! (i dropped in clerks before running to the bathroom. about 3min before that msg) |
| 22:13 | <bob2> | I'm shocked the answer involved an irc server |
| 22:13 | <bob2> | shocked |
| 22:13 | <lyetz> | then last night, 588 bots spamming |
| 22:14 | <lyetz> | all of which got passed about 7 DNSbl's |
| 22:15 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:15 | <pharaun> | lol |
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| 22:15 | <GatorKram> | people need to start going to prison for controling bot nets |
| 22:15 | <pharaun> | lyetz: what the hell are you doing to get em to "ddos" you |
| 22:15 | <HoopyCat> | seven dnsbl failures, six clans a-fightin', fiiiiiiive gooolden subpoenas, four stupid bloggers, three flapping routers, two rogue admins, and a services bot with a crash bug |
| 22:16 | <lyetz> | xD |
| 22:16 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: ++ |
| 22:16 | <lyetz> | pharaun, had nothing to do with me |
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| 22:16 | <lyetz> | They joined the server out of nowhere |
| 22:16 | <lyetz> | started spamming all kinds of crap |
| 22:16 | <lyetz> | xdcc and stuff |
| 22:16 | <pharaun> | was the server unsecured? |
| 22:16 | <lyetz> | nope |
| 22:16 | <GatorKram> | pharaun: why do you want to blame him, for what these kids are doing? |
| 22:17 | <lyetz> | even threatened to root the box earlier |
| 22:17 | <lyetz> | though I have password auth. disabled |
| 22:17 | <lyetz> | So they're just resorting to a DDoS now |
| 22:17 | <pharaun> | GatorKram: i'm not placing blame, just was wondering how it "happened" and on "irc" from the sounds of it its usually someone being an idiot |
| 22:17 | <pharaun> | of course there's exceptions :-) |
| 22:17 | <HoopyCat> | TIRED OF PIGGERS? JOIN PIGOUT.COM TO RECLAIM OUR COUNTRY. We aren't speciesist; dolphins, cats, and chimpanzees are welcome!!1! |
| 22:17 | <GatorKram> | so being an idiot, means you should be blasted off the internet? |
| 22:18 | <pharaun> | lyetz: aha, well i think in your best case is just do tcp dump like said above |
| 22:18 | <lyetz> | I have no clue how they even found out about my network |
| 22:18 | <lyetz> | yeah, will do |
| 22:18 | <pharaun> | and just submit a ticket so it cna be null routed |
| 22:18 | <pharaun> | lyetz: hm port scans? |
| 22:18 | <lyetz> | yep, just waiting for a response |
| 22:18 | * | HoopyCat stores the strike-anywhere matches near the gasoline idly |
| 22:18 | <pharaun> | probably port scans |
| 22:18 | <lyetz> | well they said they found us on SearchIRC |
| 22:18 | <lyetz> | Why they chose to come spam me, no clue |
| 22:18 | <GatorKram> | because they can, is why |
| 22:18 | <lyetz> | yeah |
| 22:18 | <lyetz> | bored people |
| 22:18 | <pharaun> | GatorKram: heh, i'm not saying "you should be" but i'm just saying sometime you do run into "sketchy" people on irc |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | search IRC? |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | never heard of that |
| 22:19 | <jkwood> | In my experience, people rarely do stupid things for a reason. |
| 22:19 | <GatorKram> | yeah, it just felt like you were putting the blame on him, for being attacked |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | GatorKram: i suppose, well he explained, and i'll give him a break :) |
| 22:19 | <GatorKram> | hehe |
| 22:19 | <GatorKram> | yeah, no harm, no foul |
| 22:20 | <pharaun> | its just in my experience peoples can be an idiot and go do stupid thing then run and go wahh when someone decides to take em down |
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| 22:20 | <chesty> | i don't know, running an irc server is a good way of asking to be attacked |
| 22:20 | <GatorKram> | Im sorta sensative, to ddosing lately, as some people I know, on justin.tv are getting blown offline, because some kids can |
| 22:20 | <HoopyCat> | i leave the IRC server operations to the pros... it's been getting harder and harder to run a useful server without major resources for the past 15 years or so |
| 22:20 | <TinyAmitz> | either way, if it's not critical, jusk ask linode to nullroute yourself. |
| 22:20 | <pharaun> | GatorKram: aha, that sucks |
| 22:20 | <pharaun> | yeah ddos is.... -_- |
| 22:20 | <GatorKram> | yeah, it does |
| 22:20 | <jkwood> | Rules of the internet: |
| 22:21 | <lyetz> | Well i found out this group of guys are not good news |
| 22:21 | <lyetz> | they said they have 80 T3 connections |
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| 22:21 | <jkwood> | 1) If you run an irc server, there will be script kiddies or spammers on your network before long. |
| 22:21 | <HoopyCat> | zomg t3 connections!!1! |
| 22:21 | <lyetz> | xD |
| 22:21 | <pharaun> | that's only 1.8 some meg upload? |
| 22:21 | <lyetz> | yeah, just trying to scare me |
| 22:21 | <jkwood> | 2) If you run an sshd, you will have bots knocking on it within 24 hours. |
| 22:21 | <pharaun> | ^^^ - yup |
| 22:22 | <lyetz> | well the sshd is all secured |
| 22:22 | <lyetz> | just the IRC that I gotta keep careful watch on now |
| 22:22 | <jkwood> | 3) If you run a web server, Googlebot will go at you hard and fast without buying you dinner first. |
| 22:22 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:22 | <lyetz> | lol |
| 22:22 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:22 | <pharaun> | jkwood: lol |
| 22:22 | <GatorKram> | scanning, and blowing gigs of data at you, are not really the same though |
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| 22:23 | <pharaun> | jkwood: at least with web-server you can put up robot.txt and "generally" googlebots will respect it |
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| 22:23 | <jkwood> | 4) If you run a gopher server, nobod will ever connect to it. Ever. |
| 22:23 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:23 | <GatorKram> | lol gopher |
| 22:23 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 22:23 | <GatorKram> | archie! |
| 22:23 | <pharaun> | never used gopher :-p |
| 22:23 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: if you assume they meant DS3, that's about as much bandwidth as two linode hosts... |
| 22:23 | <jkwood> | 5) If you run telnet, then may God have mercy on your soul. |
| 22:24 | <jkwood> | And finally, |
| 22:24 | <jkwood> | !ftp |
| 22:24 | <linbot> | Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp |
| 22:24 | <pharaun> | lyetz: anyway i was wondering, why are you hosting irc server, couldn't you use like oftc, freenode/etc and setup a channel? |
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| 22:24 | <pharaun> | jkwood: haha, indeed i know some people who still runs telnet... everytime i hear about it i facepalm myself |
| 22:24 | <lyetz> | well I had one running for a few years now |
| 22:24 | <lyetz> | just 40 people or so |
| 22:24 | <lyetz> | just kept going from there |
| 22:24 | <lyetz> | never really considered using a bigger network |
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| 22:25 | <pharaun> | yeah, i've wanted to run an irc server once/twice myself but all of that *above* trouble made me just get a channel on a major network instead |
| 22:25 | <lyetz> | that would eliminate a lot of problems though |
| 22:25 | <lyetz> | yeah |
| 22:25 | <pharaun> | so after you get *this* resolved you might want to consider that |
| 22:25 | * | GatorKram hides his irc server behind a rock |
| 22:25 | <pharaun> | just an suggestion |
| 22:25 | * | pharaun finds GatorKram's irc server |
| 22:25 | <HoopyCat> | the oftc people get paid big bucks to handle problems like this |
| 22:25 | <GatorKram> | shhh |
| 22:25 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: they're paid? |
| 22:26 | <GatorKram> | I ran my first irc server, on dialup, in 1995, been doing it ever sence |
| 22:26 | <danieldg> | generally, there aren't that many problems with running your own irc server unless someone makes it their mission to cause you trouble |
| 22:26 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: in love, respect, and gifts of gratitude |
| 22:26 | <mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 22:26 | <TinyAmitz> | with cake. |
| 22:26 | <lyetz> | and that's my problem, danieldg |
| 22:26 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: haha |
| 22:26 | <Trystan> | danieldg: or you are a retard and attract their trouble |
| 22:26 | <pharaun> | ding! ding! |
| 22:26 | <jkwood> | Speaking of gifts of gratitude, does Linode have that web-enabled vending machine yet? |
| 22:27 | <danieldg> | Trystan: yes, there are ways to attract idiots |
| 22:27 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: #oftc warms the cockles of my heart and gives me hope for the goodness of mankind |
| 22:27 | <GatorKram> | the internet is like any major city, you have random thugs roaming around, looking for trouble |
| 22:27 | <Trystan> | and murders do happen... |
| 22:27 | <pharaun> | compute with the assumption that the person on the other side is a homcidial manic out to kill you! |
| 22:27 | <jkwood> | And then Spiderman comes along with his cape and his balloon... |
| 22:27 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: hehe |
| 22:28 | <GatorKram> | enough isnt done, to research and track down all these compromised systems, and enough isnt done, in that vein, to find the people controlling them |
| 22:28 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: DS3, hm, goes to look up the bw |
| 22:28 | <pharaun> | problem is windows :-p |
| 22:28 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: 28xT1 ;-) |
| 22:28 | <pharaun> | all of those poor poor wuddle exploited machines |
| 22:28 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: oh |
| 22:28 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: (45Mb/sec) |
| 22:29 | <pharaun> | not bad, |
| 22:29 | <Trystan> | pharaun: imho that would happen regardless |
| 22:29 | <pharaun> | Trystan: yeah |
| 22:29 | <TinyAmitz> | i believe a good way to avoid attracting script kiddies is by not giving the method to contact you? Password protect the irc? If they don't hear your response, they're less likely to attack. |
| 22:29 | <GatorKram> | I doubt they know what they are talking about, when they said T3, no one deals in T3s anymore, heh |
| 22:29 | * | HoopyCat pops open his ssh scan mailbox |
| 22:29 | <Trystan> | the problem is idiots who dont know how to keep their system clean |
| 22:29 | <TinyAmitz> | Imho |
| 22:29 | <pharaun> | Trystan: yeah i know |
| 22:29 | <pharaun> | but just arugh |
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| 22:29 | <Trystan> | they just happen to use windows currently :) |
| 22:29 | <lyetz> | I agree, TinyAmitz |
| 22:29 | <pharaun> | would be nice to have better education but that just aint going to happen |
| 22:30 | <pharaun> | >_> at all of the texans |
| 22:30 | <danieldg> | TinyAmitz: you can sometimes get them go give up on you if you ignore them like that, yes |
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| 22:30 | <Trystan> | they dont really need to make a connection to cause trouble though |
| 22:30 | <GatorKram> | is the flood still coming in? |
| 22:30 | <HoopyCat> | let's see... ENTEL CHILE S.A., CHINANET Shanghai province network... |
| 22:30 | <pharaun> | danieldg: yes, but if they really are bored and just want to nuke you, its going to happen regardless |
| 22:30 | <Trystan> | ^ |
| 22:30 | <lyetz> | Nah looks like they took a break - http://snapplr.com/yk8j |
| 22:30 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Thinking of switching from shared hosting to Linode in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5291>; |
| 22:31 | <HoopyCat> | yes, i'm sure i'm going to get a good response out of abuse@ |
| 22:31 | <danieldg> | yeah. But if they can't see your response, it's less interesting, and sometimes they find someone else to bother |
| 22:31 | <pharaun> | danieldg: true |
| 22:31 | <lyetz> | just takes quite a while though |
| 22:31 | <GatorKram> | they prob thought you were on a cable modem, or dsl, and would blow you off your own irc server |
| 22:32 | <pharaun> | but still the point remains if they want to nuke you, you're going to be nuked regardless |
| 22:32 | <lyetz> | yeah |
| 22:32 | <danieldg> | there's really no way around that, yeah |
| 22:32 | <pharaun> | there is, grow.... REALLY BIG |
| 22:32 | <pharaun> | so you can soak it up without finching |
| 22:32 | <danieldg> | right |
| 22:33 | <danieldg> | just becomes a problem of resources |
| 22:33 | <pharaun> | but that does not help any of the little guys anyway |
| 22:33 | <pharaun> | yeah |
| 22:33 | <TinyAmitz> | the idea is not to be the lowest hanging fruit ;-) |
| 22:33 | <GatorKram> | a friend of mine, had a system setup, to where if he was ddosed, his system would attack back, heh |
| 22:33 | <pharaun> | that's basically what ddos is anyway, burning up the bandwidth to see who gives in first |
| 22:33 | <HoopyCat> | there are services that will take a bullet for you, but they aren't cheap either |
| 22:33 | <danieldg> | GatorKram: generally not a good idea |
| 22:33 | <pharaun> | GatorKram: that's bad idea |
| 22:33 | <Trystan> | retaliation only causes it to continue going |
| 22:33 | <GatorKram> | yeah, he went to prison, for a semi related issue |
| 22:33 | <pharaun> | yup plus you probably would end up targeting *other* systems |
| 22:34 | <GatorKram> | it was funny though, back in the day |
| 22:34 | <pharaun> | cos you got all of the forged packets fun and bot-nets/etc |
| 22:34 | <danieldg> | plus, you just get two of those systems to attack one another |
| 22:34 | <pharaun> | worthless |
| 22:34 | <HoopyCat> | GatorKram: turns out we actually do have somewhat effective and applicable laws for that situation |
| 22:34 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: oh there is? |
| 22:34 | * | jkwood misses -j MIRROR |
| 22:34 | <GatorKram> | he got into doing ddos for hire, and got caught, more or less |
| 22:34 | <Trystan> | whos we? |
| 22:34 | <pharaun> | i thought -j MIRROR was still around |
| 22:34 | <HoopyCat> | GatorKram: also turns out that the US is only a small fraction of the world's population |
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| 22:35 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:35 | <Trystan> | yea lol |
| 22:35 | <danieldg> | -j MIRROR is around, if you want to compile it |
| 22:35 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:35 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: lol, but if you think on the "scale" of ego |
| 22:35 | <pharaun> | the USA got like 200x of the world's ego |
| 22:35 | <pharaun> | :-p |
| 22:35 | <Trystan> | ^5 |
| 22:35 | <HoopyCat> | Trystan: the US, from where most attacks don't originate thus making normal methods of handling these situations moot |
| 22:35 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:35 | <Trystan> | HoopyCat: yea was going to point it out but you did yourself anyway lol |
| 22:36 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: stfu or i'll vote republican |
| 22:36 | <Trystan> | :O |
| 22:36 | <pharaun> | :0 |
| 22:36 | <@jed> | Binary sketch size: 6424 bytes (of a 30720 byte maximum) |
| 22:36 | <@jed> | boy, that swells fast |
| 22:37 | <HoopyCat> | c-c-c-congress breaker |
| 22:37 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:37 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 22:37 | <GatorKram> | ive got boxes and boxes of gum, why is it never in reach |
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| 22:37 | <@jed> | I added "snprintf" from AVR-libc and it shot up 2k :/ |
| 22:37 | <HoopyCat> | jed: yup |
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| 22:38 | <HoopyCat> | jed: really makes you appreciate big computers, eh? |
| 22:38 | <@jed> | indeed |
| 22:38 | <@jed> | I'm sure Arduino can be slimmed down quite a bit |
| 22:38 | <@jed> | I don't think it takes 6.4K to turn off 9 LEDs and initialize Ethernet, but maybe |
| 22:39 | <pharaun> | heh |
| 22:39 | <pharaun> | code it yourself by hand in 0 & 1's! |
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| 22:39 | <JarretSlater> | So got my Vps set up . And i kinda like EHCP |
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| 22:40 | * | pharaun should really get off my arse and buy an arduino board, been meaning to get into *that* its fun to work with electronics! |
| 22:41 | <GatorKram> | man, its not my night, I go to use the bathroom, and the cat is asleep on the lid |
| 22:41 | <pharaun> | hahaha |
| 22:41 | <HoopyCat> | jed: ethernet's the pain in the butt... turning LEDs on and off is easy |
| 22:41 | <HoopyCat> | jetlag: EHCP? |
| 22:41 | <GatorKram> | first I cant reach my gum, then I have to move the cat |
| 22:41 | <HoopyCat> | jetlag: oops, sorry |
| 22:41 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: i heard usb was worst to implement |
| 22:41 | <HoopyCat> | JarretSlater: EHCP? |
| 22:41 | <HoopyCat> | GatorKram: spray the cat |
| 22:41 | <GatorKram> | heh |
| 22:42 | <JarretSlater> | http://www.ehcp.net/ |
| 22:42 | <GatorKram> | shed bite me for that later |
| 22:42 | <pharaun> | GatorKram: or leave the lid up then push the cat into it |
| 22:42 | <pharaun> | my parent cats will drink out of the toilet so i would from time to time grab a boom and push em into the bowl they freak out |
| 22:42 | <GatorKram> | im nice to my cat |
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| 22:42 | <GatorKram> | heh |
| 22:43 | <pharaun> | but they do learn their lesson for.... a *short* while -_- never seems to stick |
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| 22:43 | <pharaun> | heh yeah we have some pretty dumb cats |
| 22:43 | <HoopyCat> | JarretSlater: nice |
| 22:43 | <GatorKram> | i leave the lid down, so she can sleep there, its just often, we conflict, where I need to pee, and shes dead asleep |
| 22:43 | <pharaun> | one of our cat was a "don't shake the kitty" kind of cat, another cat was found almost frozen to death in a snow storm |
| 22:43 | <GatorKram> | not often/ |
| 22:44 | <pharaun> | my dad has a soft heart for animals so he often rescure them, hence we from time to time get some really dumb ones |
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| 22:44 | <GatorKram> | the worst of all this, is she was sleeping, and not bugging me, and now shes awake, and bugging me |
| 22:44 | <pharaun> | hehe |
| 22:44 | <pharaun> | sometime i do feel bad for the cat, she's like one of the sweetest cat i know |
| 22:45 | <TinyAmitz> | sleep her then |
| 22:45 | <GatorKram> | dont forget to spring forward your clocks tonight |
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| 22:45 | <pharaun> | she looves attention, but if she's sitting on your stomach and you cough, she will freak out and hide under the couch and you endup having to coax her out |
| 22:45 | <pharaun> | or if you move, she freaks out, or if you do anything other than lay there "dead" she freaks -_- |
| 22:46 | <TinyAmitz> | spoiled cat! |
| 22:46 | <GatorKram> | my cat, is sort of like that, but Ive had her my whole life, so no idea why shes jumpy |
| 22:46 | <GatorKram> | genetics I guess |
| 22:46 | <pharaun> | heh |
| 22:46 | <pharaun> | probably, but in ours case, my dad suspect she did/does have some brain damage |
| 22:47 | <HoopyCat> | jed: on the 68hc11 evbs we're running, blinking an LED is... uhh... ldaa #00, staa $dffd, ldaa #01, staa $dffc, ldaa #04, staa $dffd, ldaa #00, staa $dffc, ldaa #01, staa $dffc, bra f4... 27 bytes |
| 22:47 | <pharaun> | cos my dad rescured her while she was being shaken to death in a dog mouth |
| 22:47 | <HoopyCat> | jed: you probably can't even start to describe where to find an ethernet in 27 bytes |
| 22:48 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: what about usb? i heard it was worst than ethernet to implement |
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| 22:53 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: ftdi has a delicious little chip to handle all that :-) |
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| 22:54 | <HoopyCat> | electrically speaking, rs232 pisses me off |
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| 22:55 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: oh? i haven't done any usb work yet, just done "basic" embedded stuff aka load code into the micro-controller, and run it, and etc |
| 22:56 | <Yaakov> | I do embedded processor work by firing CPUs into blocks of lucite using a railgun. |
| 22:57 | <@Perihelion> | \o/ |
| 22:57 | <jkwood> | Yaakov++ |
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| 22:57 | <@Perihelion> | I approve of this approach |
| 22:57 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/IC/FT232R_v104.pdf |
| 22:57 | <stefanie> | http://www.holytaco.com/i-really-need-bone-my-french <-wtf |
| 22:58 | <Yaakov> | We generally use the MAX232 for RS232 good. |
| 22:58 | <Yaakov> | goop. |
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| 22:58 | <pharaun> | Yaakov: ++ that sounds like a most fun approach! :) |
| 22:58 | <pharaun> | max232, yeah heard of those |
| 22:58 | <jkwood> | I am, unfortunately, stuck using PIC18s at work. |
| 22:58 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: me too... nice little chips, of the sort the electronics shop on the corner doesn't stock when i need one |
| 22:59 | <pharaun> | ew, i haven't worked with PIC's but i heard they can be a ... pain |
| 22:59 | <jkwood> | It'd be nice if they didn't write bugs into their own compiler. |
| 22:59 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: built my own TTL<->RS232 converter awhile back, never again |
| 22:59 | <Yaakov> | I bit of a pain. |
| 22:59 | <HoopyCat> | ('tho it is pretty awesome) |
| 22:59 | <Yaakov> | A |
| 23:00 | <Yaakov> | Parallel ports are so much simpler. |
| 23:00 | <pharaun> | bbbut they're so big |
| 23:01 | <jkwood> | !twss |
| 23:01 | <linbot> | THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID! |
| 23:01 | <Yaakov> | The new USB chipsets are nice, though. |
| 23:01 | <stefanie> | jkwoood++ |
| 23:01 | <Yaakov> | HELLO STEFANIE |
| 23:01 | <stefanie> | Yaakov: http://www.holytaco.com/if-youre-going-gross-tranny-look-you-got-it |
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| 23:02 | <Yaakov> | STEFANIE I LOVE YOU BUT I AM NOT CLICKING ON THAT DEAR |
| 23:02 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: nice |
| 23:02 | <HoopyCat> | the USB<->RS232 adapter i got from dealextreme was DoA, so i should probably just build something sometime |
| 23:02 | <stefanie> | Yaakov, you are no fun. |
| 23:02 | <stefanie> | Phil made the most awesome face after looking at it. |
| 23:02 | <Yaakov> | Oh, I am--but that doesn't mean I will look at that. |
| 23:03 | * | pharaun hacks into Yaakov's computer and forces it to pop the page up! |
| 23:03 | <stefanie> | I think I scarred him. |
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| 23:03 | <Yaakov> | GOOD NIGHT ALL |
| 23:03 | <HoopyCat> | good night, Yaakov! |
| 23:03 | <stefanie> | GOOD NIGHT |
| 23:04 | <jkwood> | That was far less offensive than the other one. |
| 23:05 | <stefanie> | hehe, you looked at the one with the horse. |
| 23:07 | <pharaun> | horse 0_o |
| 23:07 | <stefanie> | 22:57 < stefanie> http://www.holytaco.com/i-really-need-bone-my-french <-wtf |
| 23:08 | <stefanie> | note: Looking is optional. |
| 23:09 | <pharaun> | uhuh |
| 23:10 | <pharaun> | xD |
| 23:10 | <HoopyCat> | *** stefanie is now known as Mr_Hands |
| 23:10 | <pharaun> | indeeds |
| 23:10 | <stefanie> | Do I want to know why? |
| 23:11 | <pharaun> | you never heard of that one? |
| 23:11 | <stefanie> | no |
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| 23:12 | <HoopyCat> | 'twas the nickname of a guy in washington state whose death inspired one of the great judicial and legislative quandries of all time |
| 23:12 | <pharaun> | um, how do i put it, some guy got killed by a horse, and the said horse was fucking the said guy in the arse |
| 23:12 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:12 | <stefanie> | lol |
| 23:12 | <stefanie> | I remember that |
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| 23:14 | <HoopyCat> | he wasn't breaking the law. also, it'd be difficult to consider it animal abuse, since the horse was not harmed (indeed, he appeared to enjoy the, uhh, act) |
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| 23:16 | <pharaun> | what was the result of that anyway |
| 23:16 | <pharaun> | i don't remember details but did "that" kind of stuff get banned? |
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| 23:17 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: the man's rectum asploded and he died shortly thereafter from the resulting infections; the horse smoked a cigarette and fell asleep |
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| 23:18 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: yes i know, i *clearly* remember *that* part but i mean the legislative bullshit |
| 23:19 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: oh... 'tis now a class C felony. five years. |
| 23:19 | <stefanie> | unless you're dead, then you're mocked. |
| 23:19 | <HoopyCat> | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Kenneth_Pinyan.jpg |
| 23:19 | <pharaun> | indeed |
| 23:20 | <pharaun> | somehow this reminds me of.... sucide being "illegal" |
| 23:20 | <pharaun> | and i was thinking um you're dead so how would you care |
| 23:20 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: well, there was also video-taping going on in this specific case |
| 23:20 | <pharaun> | oh |
| 23:20 | <pharaun> | still |
| 23:20 | <pharaun> | i think its silly |
| 23:20 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: and it's not like this was the first time he'd done this |
| 23:21 | <stefanie> | the penalty for jumping of a building is death in NY |
| 23:21 | <pharaun> | they should just let those people um... *enjoy* their habits |
| 23:21 | <pharaun> | stefanie: does that apply if there is a big honking fire in the building? |
| 23:21 | <Talman> | What? |
| 23:21 | <Talman> | I want to see that statute. :) |
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| 23:22 | <stefanie> | probably not. It's just one of those stupid laws that all states have. |
| 23:22 | <Talman> | Also, Wisconsin didn't have defiling a corpse. |
| 23:22 | <Talman> | So, the sheriff charged the suspect with rape. |
| 23:22 | <pharaun> | ohh yeah |
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| 23:22 | <pharaun> | http://www.dumblaws.com/ |
| 23:22 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: well, they did. then a team of investigators had to spend weeks pouring through hundreds of videos of a gentleman enjoying the long end of a horse |
| 23:22 | <pharaun> | forgot that site, spent a ton of time laughing to tears |
| 23:23 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: oh... i see yeah that would make me want to ban it >_< |
| 23:24 | <Talman> | This sounds like a legistlative intent. |
| 23:24 | <Talman> | "The land of 10,000 lakes declares mosquitos a public nuisance." |
| 23:24 | <Talman> | And therefore, a misquito control board is created... etc. |
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| 23:24 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: "So, how was your day?" "Oh, spent all day going frame-by-frame through a video of a horse making love to that guy we found dead last week and trying to estimate how much chafing occured." |
| 23:25 | <Talman> | I think this is enforced: Red cars may not drive down Lake Street. |
| 23:25 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: indeed, i wonder if those people who went through those videos are still.. "sane" |
| 23:25 | <Talman> | Its an anti-street rodding thing. You also can't drive more than a certain number of times an hour. |
| 23:25 | <HoopyCat> | pharaun: there's probably some amount of professional detachment |
| 23:26 | <Talman> | Oh! Unmarried couples may not commit “lewd acts” and live together in the same residence. |
| 23:26 | <Talman> | This one amused me greatly. |
| 23:26 | <Toba> | what state is that? |
| 23:26 | <Talman> | If you're knocked up, no professional apartment manager is gonna rent to you. |
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| 23:26 | <Talman> | Florida. |
| 23:26 | <Talman> | Its Lewd and Lacivious Acts. |
| 23:26 | <Toba> | so you can't move in |
| 23:26 | <Talman> | Misdemeanor sex crime. |
| 23:26 | <Toba> | but you can stay over and fuck like bunnies |
| 23:26 | <Talman> | Not really. |
| 23:26 | <Toba> | that's amusing |
| 23:27 | <Talman> | If you are seen leaving when its obvious you're screwing, its lewd and lacivious. |
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| 23:27 | <Talman> | i.e. stayed the night. |
| 23:27 | <pharaun> | HoopyCat: true |
| 23:27 | <pharaun> | and probably would make for some "funny" stories |
| 23:27 | <Talman> | When having sex, only the missionary position is legal. |
| 23:28 | <pharaun> | i've heard some rather.. 0_o stories from law enforcements |
| 23:28 | <Talman> | Lewd and Lacivious is also anything but missionary. |
| 23:28 | <Toba> | wow |
| 23:28 | <Talman> | You may not kiss your wife’s breasts. <- Did I mention lewd and lacivious yet? |
| 23:28 | <HoopyCat> | i've done catholics, i've done missionaries, but i haven't yet done a catholic missionary |
| 23:29 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:29 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 23:29 | <stefanie> | They're hard to come by. |
| 23:29 | <pharaun> | ahh good ol' stupid laws >_< |
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| 23:30 | <Talman> | Wisconsin. Butter substitutes are not allowed to be served in state prisons. |
| 23:30 | <Talman> | I remember peopl tellling me that... butter subsitutes used to b e illegal period. |
| 23:30 | <stefanie> | Well it is Wisconsin |
| 23:30 | <Talman> | So people would make marginne runs to Illinois. |
| 23:30 | <Talman> | As people used to smuggle it in from Illinois, all yellow butter substitute is banned. |
| 23:30 | <Talman> | As I was saying... |
| 23:31 | <Talman> | No male is allowed to be in a state of arousal in public. |
| 23:31 | <Talman> | This law was enacted in 2005. |
| 23:31 | <Talman> | I almost got a ticket for it. |
| 23:32 | <Talman> | Kenosha, Wisconsin, City Ordinance. |
| 23:32 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:32 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 23:32 | <pharaun> | what the hell |
| 23:32 | <pharaun> | oh yeah speaking of that |
| 23:32 | <pharaun> | i heard people were thinking of banning salting in food |
| 23:32 | <HoopyCat> | back during the margarine prohibition, we used to take our bread to the spreadeasy... they had a dairy shelf that'd tilt backwards to hide the margarine if the cops raided the place |
| 23:33 | <Talman> | Nuclear weapons may not be manufactured in the city limits. |
| 23:33 | <Talman> | Sun Pararie probably had a defense contractor thinking of making nuke triggers. |
| 23:33 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:33 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 23:33 | <HoopyCat> | 'course, out in the woods, some guys'd make moonspread... potent stuff. some of 'em fucked it up pretty bad and went blind by churning milkweed |
| 23:33 | <Toba> | http://quotes.truct.org/634 |
| 23:33 | <Toba> | saved for posterity |
| 23:34 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:34 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 23:35 | <Talman> | Dumb sign: State Prison: Do Not Stop for Hitchhikers |
| 23:35 | <Talman> | I thought that was funny, they have em in Florida too. |
| 23:35 | <pharaun> | colorado too i think |
| 23:35 | <stefanie> | Some people are stupid enough |
| 23:35 | <Talman> | Course they are. |
| 23:36 | <pharaun> | i seemed to remember seeing a sign on the interstate next to a couple of state prison in my hom etown |
| 23:36 | <pharaun> | *home town arg |
| 23:36 | <Talman> | Lets help the nice man out! |
| 23:36 | <pharaun> | in that bright orange outfit |
| 23:36 | <pharaun> | oh yeah! |
| 23:36 | <@jed> | here it comessss |
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| 23:37 | <jed-arduino> | Hello! I am an Arduino! |
| 23:37 | <jed-arduino> | I have 8 LEDs, and I listen for a number anywhere in a line of text (which toggle them). Type 1 through 8! Type 'arduino' to get a full status. |
| 23:37 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-off 2-off 3-off 4-off 5-off 6-off 7-off 8-off |
| 23:37 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-off 3-ON 4-off 5-ON 6-off 7-off 8-ON |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | that bug is weird. |
| 23:37 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: urmom |
| 23:37 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-off 3-off 4-off 5-off 6-off 7-off 8-ON |
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| 23:37 | <Talman> | Some of these aren't that silly, though. |
| 23:37 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: urmom |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | hm |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | it's easily confused |
| 23:37 | * | SelfishMan smiles |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | oh...it was choking on the NAMES |
| 23:38 | <@jed> | I need to have it ignore everything but PRIVMSG IRC_CHANNEL |
| 23:38 | <stefanie> | Sometimes they steal clothes. When I lived in Virginia, a prisoner broke out and stole clothes from my cousin that she had hanging out to dry. |
| 23:38 | * | jed considers delay(10000), flush |
| 23:38 | <SelfishMan> | stefanie: I thought the 20s were over |
| 23:39 | <stefanie> | When you live in a place called Hickory, VA. Lord knows what year it is. |
| 23:39 | <Talman> | Well, yeah. |
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| 23:39 | <SelfishMan> | Oh, yeah, Virginia. I missed that part |
| 23:39 | <Talman> | They're wearing a huge ass thing. |
| 23:39 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: kill urself with fire |
| 23:39 | <jed-arduino> | Hello! I am an Arduino! |
| 23:39 | <Talman> | That says DIE IN A FIRE, I AM CONVICT. |
| 23:39 | <jed-arduino> | I have 8 LEDs, and I listen for a number anywhere in a line of text (which toggle them). Type 1 through 8! Type 'arduino' to get a full status. |
| 23:39 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-off 2-ON 3-ON 4-off 5-off 6-off 7-ON 8-off |
| 23:39 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-off 2-ON 3-off 4-ON 5-off 6-ON 7-ON 8-off |
| 23:39 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-off 2-ON 3-off 4-ON 5-ON 6-off 7-off 8-off |
| 23:39 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-ON 3-ON 4-ON 5-off 6-off 7-ON 8-ON |
| 23:39 | <@jed> | haha, wtf |
| 23:39 | <Talman> | All right...\ |
| 23:39 | <@jed> | this worked in an empty channel. |
| 23:39 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: 0 |
| 23:39 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-ON 3-off 4-ON 5-ON 6-off 7-ON 8-ON |
| 23:40 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: 0 |
| 23:40 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-ON 3-off 4-ON 5-ON 6-off 7-ON 8-ON |
| 23:40 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: 0 |
| 23:40 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-ON 3-off 4-ON 5-ON 6-off 7-ON 8-ON |
| 23:40 | <@jed> | don't address it |
| 23:40 | <SelfishMan> | meh |
| 23:40 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: 0 |
| 23:40 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-ON 3-off 4-ON 5-ON 6-off 7-ON 8-ON |
| 23:40 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: 0 |
| 23:40 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-ON 3-off 4-ON 5-ON 6-off 7-ON 8-ON |
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| 23:40 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: 0 |
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| 23:40 | <SelfishMan> | \o/ |
| 23:40 | <@jed> | retard. |
| 23:40 | * | SelfishMan is an ass |
| 23:40 | <@jed> | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 23:40 | <bd_> | !therules |
| 23:40 | <linbot> | The rules: (#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) jkwood is utterly insane |
| 23:40 | <SelfishMan> | rule 5?!? yay! |
| 23:40 | <erikh> | oh horseshit |
| 23:40 | <erikh> | I laid claim to that long before he arrived. |
| 23:41 | <pharaun> | indeed |
| 23:41 | <pharaun> | jed: you actually got that thing hooked up to this, that's awesome :) |
| 23:42 | <Toba> | I only come in here from time to time, but I would hope that I could qualify as being utterly insane |
| 23:43 | <bob2> | what happened to the old rules, anyway |
| 23:44 | <erikh> | pretty sure aaronyy and friends vanished |
| 23:44 | <erikh> | who was the other guy, can't remember his name? |
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| 23:46 | <jed-arduino> | Jed would like you to know that SelfishMan can go to hell. |
| 23:46 | <@jed> | there we go |
| 23:46 | <@jed> | 12345678 |
| 23:46 | <@jed> | whee. |
| 23:46 | <SelfishMan> | jed-arduino: tits or gtfo |
| 23:47 | <SelfishMan> | jed: I'm just load testing your arduino |
| 23:47 | <@jed> | it doesn't speak unless I send it serial, now |
| 23:47 | <jed-arduino> | Status: 1-ON 2-ON 3-off 4-ON 5-ON 6-ON 7-ON 8-ON |
| 23:48 | <@jed> | http://p.linode.com/3624 |
| 23:49 | <@jed> | the LEDs are arranged green to red in a danger meter configuration, I should rig it to watch how fast #linode is scrolling and put it on top of my desk |
| 23:51 | <erikh> | uh |
| 23:51 | <erikh> | is the "arduino language" just C++? |
| 23:51 | <@jed> | C with extras |
| 23:51 | * | erikh hasn't looked at one of these before |
| 23:51 | <erikh> | heh |
| 23:51 | <erikh> | that's not C |
| 23:52 | <@jed> | sure it is |
| 23:53 | <@jed> | it's definitely not C++ -- the declaration on 23 making you think C++ is straight C |
| 23:53 | <@jed> | oh, I'll be damn, it is C++ |
| 23:53 | * | jed has been corrected |
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| 23:54 | <@jed> | heh, it triggers on that ^ |
| 23:55 | <erikh> | yeah, C doesn't have constructors or... *ahem* easy method calls *ahem* |
| 23:55 | <pharaun> | jed: yes you should that should be awesome |
| 23:55 | <erikh> | but that looks like a pretty neat device |
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| 23:55 | <@jed> | haha, oh yeah |
| 23:55 | <@jed> | I have to respond to pings |
| 23:56 | <@jed> | durrrrp |
| 23:56 | <erikh> | jed: does the thing have a TCP stack on it, or did you write one? |
| 23:56 | <randallman> | erikh, function pointers FTW :) |
| 23:56 | <@jed> | the Ethernet shield comes with one |
| 23:56 | <erikh> | err, or did you do it some other way? |
| 23:56 | <erikh> | randallman: you and I have a very different definition of "FTW" |
| 23:57 | <randallman> | haha I was merely joking :) |
| 23:57 | <erikh> | heh. |
| 23:57 | <erikh> | jed: neat! |
| 23:57 | <pharaun> | jed: how does the ethernet shield work? |
| 23:57 | <pharaun> | like it hooks to your code/etc via serial or? |
| 23:57 | <pharaun> | i was curious about that |
| 23:57 | <@jed> | it slides on top of the arduino (I'm having trouble sending photos from my phone, or I'd show you), and takes control of 4 of the pins -- you then talk to it with the <Ethernet.h> library |
| 23:58 | <@jed> | it passes the rest of the pins through, conveniently -- shields are stackable |
| 23:58 | <pharaun> | jed: oh WOO |
| 23:58 | <pharaun> | awesome |
| 23:58 | <@jed> | the shield has a little Ethernet controller on it, and you can do 4 connections at once (and it comes with a TCP/UDP stack) -- you just make up a MAC, IP, and off you go |
| 23:58 | <erikh> | at $job_long_long_ago, I had to work with phidgets for an embedded project |
| 23:58 | <erikh> | fun times. |
| 23:58 | <pharaun> | i was wondering about *that* cos i wanted to stack up multiple shields |
| 23:58 | <pharaun> | perfect |
| 23:58 | <@jed> | just have to make sure they don't collide on pins, that's all |
| 23:58 | <pharaun> | jed: that's pretty sweet, i'll have to take *another* look at that |
| 23:59 | <pharaun> | jed: how? by offsetting it? |
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| 23:59 | <pharaun> | or is that something you can config? |
| 23:59 | <@jed> | well, the ethernet shield owns 10, 11, 12, and 13 for SPI |
| 23:59 | <@jed> | anything you stack on top can't use those |
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