| --- | Log | opened Sun Mar 14 00:00:10 2010 |
| 00:00 | <erikh> | that's pretty damned cool |
| 00:00 | * | erikh gets evil ideas |
| 00:00 | <@jed> | they have xbee shields, too |
| 00:01 | <@jed> | and I've seen people build arduinos that stack for dual core awesome |
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| 00:02 | <erikh> | hmm |
| 00:03 | <pharaun> | jed: oh? hmm |
| 00:03 | <erikh> | so the xbee shield isn't 802.11? |
| 00:03 | <@jed> | it's close, I think |
| 00:03 | <pharaun> | jed: awesome thanks! i was a bit "worried" about the whole shield that it would take over all of the pins |
| 00:03 | <@jed> | never touched xbee but I know it's the wireless mode of choice |
| 00:03 | <bob2> | it's zigbee |
| 00:03 | <pharaun> | but now with the pass through that's sweet! |
| 00:03 | <bob2> | 802.15 or something |
| 00:03 | <@jed> | pharaun: yeah, I have 2-9 attached to the LEDs currently |
| 00:03 | <@jed> | (from the Ethernet shield) |
| 00:03 | <@jed> | 12345678 |
| 00:04 | <pharaun> | jed: sweet, going to have to get me a board, i have been thinking about getting the board but... was a bit leery about the shield thing, but |
| 00:04 | <pharaun> | yeah sweet |
| 00:04 | <pharaun> | jed: btw you doing the development on linux or windows? |
| 00:04 | <@jed> | ubuntu karmic |
| 00:04 | <pharaun> | if on linux, how is it, i was wondering about that aspect too |
| 00:04 | <@jed> | it's crashy if you twiddle the serial knob too much |
| 00:04 | <erikh> | hah! and it uses a hayes command set! |
| 00:04 | <@jed> | when I was trying to find a baud rate that I could talk to it over, I selected one it didn't like and it exploded |
| 00:04 | <erikh> | that is so awesome |
| 00:04 | <@jed> | just had to unplug and restart, and it was fine |
| 00:04 | <pharaun> | ah |
| 00:05 | <pharaun> | the board? |
| 00:05 | <@jed> | disconnected USB and restarted the IDE |
| 00:05 | <@jed> | it has external power, so it still ran |
| 00:05 | <pharaun> | ah |
| 00:05 | <pharaun> | but once you've found a baud rate that worked it's good? |
| 00:06 | <@jed> | yeah, I'm actually running it at 115200 |
| 00:06 | <@jed> | which impresses me |
| 00:06 | <@jed> | it defaults to 9600 which is noticable |
| 00:06 | <pharaun> | nice, hows the ide? can i just do the code in vim then load it up into the ide and stuff it into the board, i was reading that they don't exactly use "pure" c language? |
| 00:06 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:06 | <pharaun> | 9600 ehh that's slow lol |
| 00:06 | <@jed> | the IDE is a bit strange, I just use it to send |
| 00:07 | <@jed> | I edit in vim and copypasta |
| 00:07 | <@jed> | you can Makefile it out and not use the IDE at all, they have docs for it |
| 00:07 | <pharaun> | oh? |
| 00:07 | <pharaun> | perfect |
| 00:07 | <pharaun> | i would probably just do the makefile way |
| 00:08 | <@jed> | http://arduino.cc/en/Hacking/CommandLine |
| 00:08 | <pharaun> | anyway from my understanding, the audino stuff is basically bunch of stuff overlay on top of AVR? |
| 00:08 | <@jed> | mmhmm |
| 00:08 | <@jed> | arduino = libs and bootloader, you can talk to avr-libc from programs |
| 00:08 | <pharaun> | ah |
| 00:08 | <pharaun> | gotcha |
| 00:09 | <@jed> | the bot that just connected uses snprintf() from avr-libc, and the Ethernet and Serial libraries that are part of arduino |
| 00:09 | <pharaun> | i had to write bootloader code once for an embedded class, meh |
| 00:09 | <@jed> | it's all open-source, so if you want to modify the bootloader you can |
| 00:09 | <pharaun> | jed: hmm, that's sweet |
| 00:09 | <@jed> | they give you schematics to build your own arduino too |
| 00:09 | <@jed> | last time I played with embedded was the BASIC Stamp and I hated it, this is bringing me back |
| 00:09 | <pharaun> | yeah, looks like i'll have to put this on my list of things to finally buy, have been eyeballing it for a while, just didn't want to pull the trigger just quite yet |
| 00:09 | <pharaun> | yeah, i didn't want to do basic stamps, |
| 00:10 | <@jed> | the IDE will actually talk to a programmer |
| 00:10 | <@jed> | if you have one |
| 00:10 | <@jed> | and you drop the bootloader's space as a result |
| 00:10 | <pharaun> | hm |
| 00:11 | <pharaun> | for the basic starting project, i would just get an audino board, and the usb cable and hook it up and i'll be good to go? |
| 00:11 | <pharaun> | the programmer would be for modifying the boot loader/etc on the chip itself right? |
| 00:11 | <@jed> | yeah, you'd be good to go with that |
| 00:11 | <@jed> | sparkfun sells a get started kit which I can recommend |
| 00:12 | <pharaun> | jed: something like this? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=666 |
| 00:13 | <@jed> | DEV-09284 it says on my box |
| 00:13 | * | jed findy |
| 00:13 | <@jed> | boom: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9284 |
| 00:13 | <pharaun> | not bad, 60 buck |
| 00:14 | <pharaun> | i had a bunch of idea i wanted to try on the audino, mainly some basic home automation stuff for my AC, cos they have no temperature sensor on them, and i wanted to add ones |
| 00:14 | <pharaun> | *one |
| 00:15 | <pharaun> | perfect, thanks :) |
| 00:15 | <pharaun> | when the next paycheck comes in i'm going to so order one! :-D |
| 00:15 | <@jed> | I like it |
| 00:15 | <@jed> | it was more fun after I got a pile of toys at radio shack for it though |
| 00:15 | <Toba> | ugh, why do I use gentoo again.. |
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| 00:15 | <pharaun> | Toba: cos you're a machoist(sp)? |
| 00:16 | <Toba> | poppler, k-everything, qt-everything, and x11-libs/everygoddamnthing is blocking itself |
| 00:16 | <Toba> | fml |
| 00:16 | <pharaun> | yeah i run into that from time to time |
| 00:16 | <pharaun> | its annoying |
| 00:16 | <Toba> | yeah, and the question is how do you fix it without making your system unusable |
| 00:17 | <Toba> | and at any time, do you know if your system will boot again and have everything start correctly |
| 00:17 | <Toba> | if it goes down? |
| 00:17 | <Toba> | no of course not! |
| 00:17 | <pharaun> | carefully |
| 00:17 | <pharaun> | ;) |
| 00:17 | <pharaun> | but anyway |
| 00:17 | <pharaun> | d0o you got the new portage |
| 00:17 | <pharaun> | it should partly automate that |
| 00:17 | <Toba> | oh really |
| 00:17 | <Toba> | *update portage* |
| 00:18 | <Toba> | oh neat, it looks like that's one package I can update without hitting my dependency hell |
| 00:18 | <pharaun> | not fully automate |
| 00:18 | <pharaun> | but, its like, if a package is blocking itself |
| 00:18 | <pharaun> | it can take care of *that* |
| 00:18 | <Toba> | heh |
| 00:18 | <pharaun> | some stuff you still need to deo it manually |
| 00:18 | <Toba> | well, it's not actually that simple |
| 00:18 | <pharaun> | i know |
| 00:18 | <Toba> | I'm fixing things on 3 different gentoo boxes at once right now |
| 00:18 | <pharaun> | just the basic gist |
| 00:18 | <Toba> | which sorta messes up the mind |
| 00:18 | <Toba> | a little |
| 00:18 | <pharaun> | amen |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | *that* |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | is why i only got 2 gentoo box |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | my VM box, and my desktop, everything else is openbsd or debian, or fedora |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | or ubuntu at work |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | i love gentoo |
| 00:19 | <Toba> | yeah, ubuntu at work |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | but i hate the amount of work |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | it entails to keep it running sometime |
| 00:19 | <Toba> | yeah... i agree |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | so i keep it only for my desktop and VM box |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | which i have very specalized use for |
| 00:19 | <pharaun> | so its *easy* to use on em |
| 00:20 | <Toba> | aha |
| 00:20 | <Toba> | if you don't do much, it's quite easy |
| 00:20 | <Toba> | but if you install a lot of things |
| 00:20 | <Toba> | it becomes hell |
| 00:20 | <pharaun> | i do, do a *TON* |
| 00:20 | <pharaun> | but |
| 00:20 | <pharaun> | i'm extremely picky |
| 00:20 | <pharaun> | only got about 1,000 package installed actually |
| 00:20 | <Toba> | I think I'm going to clean out my router/fileserver |
| 00:20 | <pharaun> | i run a very minimal box on my desktop |
| 00:20 | <pharaun> | and the VM i have ton of scripts to automate the downloading of a new stage3 |
| 00:20 | <pharaun> | updating it, adding in my changes, and config |
| 00:20 | <pharaun> | and making it avail |
| 00:21 | <pharaun> | to spit out new vm's on demand |
| 00:21 | <Toba> | oh neat, i was thinking of doing that |
| 00:21 | <Toba> | so i heard you like gentoo, so i put some gentoos in your gentoo. so you can gentoo while you gentoo |
| 00:21 | <pharaun> | hehe |
| 00:21 | <pharaun> | i would make scripts avail |
| 00:21 | <pharaun> | but its specalized |
| 00:21 | <pharaun> | to my setup so eh |
| 00:21 | <pharaun> | probably won't help ya that much |
| 00:22 | <Toba> | i have ~1250 packages on my desktop, i guess i should count it a blessing that only 6 of them are conflicting right now |
| 00:24 | <pharaun> | true :) |
| 00:25 | <pharaun> | Toba: i would highly recommend openbsd for the router |
| 00:25 | <pharaun> | i have an VIA C7 as the router, and |
| 00:25 | <Toba> | but my router/fileserver is my oldest gentoo box, dating from 2006 |
| 00:25 | <pharaun> | once in a blue moon i'll reflash the 1gb CF with a new version of openbsd, install openvpn, and maybe 1-2 other packages, and bam i'm done |
| 00:25 | <Toba> | sorta would feel like shooting the family dog |
| 00:25 | <pharaun> | i toggle it into read only mode |
| 00:25 | <pharaun> | works great |
| 00:25 | <pharaun> | Toba: haha |
| 00:25 | <pharaun> | yeah |
| 00:26 | <pharaun> | my desktop sadly is my file server >_< |
| 00:26 | <pharaun> | which is something i need to *correct* proto but i don't have the money to buy a new desktop |
| 00:26 | <pharaun> | right now i got via c7 - mini-itx for my router, a intel atom mini-itx for my VM server, and a q6600 for my desktop |
| 00:27 | <pharaun> | finally moving em all to rack woohoo \o/ should make my life so much easier |
| 00:27 | <pharaun> | to be able to pull out a rack do whatever, pop it back in :-D |
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| 00:31 | <pharaun> | zomg! wget is refused! |
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| 00:39 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:39 | <pharaun> | that was fast lol |
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| 00:42 | <MTecknology> | HI!! |
| 00:42 | <MTecknology> | no reason - just felt like it |
| 00:42 | <pharaun> | bye! |
| 00:43 | <pharaun> | :-p |
| 00:43 | <MTecknology> | pharaun: bye |
| 00:43 | * | MTecknology goes potty |
| 00:44 | <pharaun> | MTecknology: heh so you admitted that you are so full of shit that you gotta to go take a shit? :-p |
| 00:45 | <MTecknology> | pharaun: potty = pee |
| 00:45 | <MTecknology> | I'm too lazy to get up though |
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| 00:45 | <MTecknology> | pharaun: and yes - i'm quite full of piss and vineger |
| 00:46 | <pharaun> | heh |
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| 00:57 | <SelfishMan> | jed: ping |
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| 01:09 | <chemosh> | morning! |
| 01:10 | <stefanie> | lies it's still dark outside |
| 01:10 | <pharaun> | same here! |
| 01:11 | <pharaun> | he's trying to deceive us with his liiieees! |
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| 01:21 | <cscsf5> | hello,everybody |
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| 01:28 | <SelfishMan> | stefanie: why are you still awake? |
| 01:28 | <SelfishMan> | shouldn't you be doing evil things to pparadis in his sleep? |
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| 01:29 | <SelfishMan> | guess so |
| 01:29 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:29 | <cscsf5> | lol |
| 01:30 | <Toba> | nice script mikegrb |
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| 01:31 | <pharaun> | its not a script |
| 01:31 | <pharaun> | he is watching the chat and typing lolz every single time |
| 01:31 | <pharaun> | its his job |
| 01:31 | <SelfishMan> | 01:29:39 <mikegrb> <redacted> |
| 01:32 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:32 | <Toba> | lol |
| 01:32 | <Toba> | skill. |
| 01:32 | <pharaun> | Toba: you gotta to be skilled to be a professional lolzer |
| 01:33 | <Toba> | for sure |
| 01:33 | <pharaun> | btw isn't mikegrb supposed to have op status? |
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| 01:39 | <pharaun> | nn :) |
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| 01:48 | <Internat> | nn? |
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| 03:12 | -!- | mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by tjfontaine |
| 03:12 | <opello> | O_o |
| 03:14 | * | tjfontaine tickles opello |
| 03:14 | <opello> | <g> |
| 03:16 | <erikh> | wow |
| 03:16 | <erikh> | haven't seen that style in a while |
| 03:16 | <erikh> | especially not on irc |
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| 03:17 | <erikh> | lots of *grin* and /me grins, etc. |
| 03:17 | <opello> | tj deserves retro |
| 03:17 | <erikh> | hell yeah. |
| 03:17 | <erikh> | which reminds me |
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| 03:17 | <tjfontaine> | uber retro |
| 03:18 | <erikh> | I wonder how awesomely futile a telnettable BBS backed by a SQL store would be |
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| 03:53 | <tjfontaine> | erikh: I know of people who run bbs with backed by sql |
| 03:53 | <tjfontaine> | wow sentence structure fail |
| 03:53 | <tjfontaine> | alcohol++ |
| 03:53 | <erikh> | heh |
| 03:54 | * | erikh is recovering from 3 days in NYC |
| 03:54 | <erikh> | I feel ya. |
| 03:54 | <erikh> | yeah, might be fun to write one, actually. |
| 03:55 | <erikh> | be kind of cool if it could be wired both through telnet and through more popular interbutts methods |
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| 04:09 | <TinyAmitz> | !amitz |
| 04:09 | <linbot> | TinyAmitz: Yo momma's so clumsy, she tore her POSIX ACL! (750:7/2) [mmrou] |
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| 04:27 | <tom3> | Hey |
| 04:27 | <tom3> | Anyone know which machine you have to do http://library.linode.com/linode-manager/copy-disk-image-over-ssh on? |
| 04:28 | <tom3> | the backup machine or the machine which is live, whch you wish to do the backup on? |
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| 05:18 | <chemosh> | tom3: The first part is the 'live' node, the second about the machine you want to store it on |
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| 06:31 | <@Perihelion> | GOOD MORNING PSANDIN |
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| 07:46 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Rebooted and Now Can't Even Connect in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5303>; |
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| 08:21 | <Linodebeginner> | Hi there, I am haivng a little issue and would like for someone to possibly guide me as to what's wrong with my setup. |
| 08:22 | <Linodebeginner> | I hava a photostore installed on my linode and it has a flash and java upload. I have added a php.ini, but for some reason I cannot get much to uload |
| 08:22 | <Linodebeginner> | upload |
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| 08:22 | <Internat> | chances are its permissions |
| 08:23 | <Linodebeginner> | For me personally I get an instant IO error upon trying to upload through flash and the Java upload doesn't work for filesgreater than mayb 100kB. the makers of the software can supposedly get 3MB to upload with Java and my admin can get 1MB through flash and Java. |
| 08:24 | <Linodebeginner> | We've thought about permissions and tried to change the group and owner of what folders PHP creates when we upload to no avail |
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| 08:25 | <Linodebeginner> | We've tried the same owner and permissions the website has and even tried the chmodding the root user as the owner. None of this worked. what can we do? What permissions do you think need changing. |
| 08:25 | <Linodebeginner> | Another thing to note is that we cannot get php.ini to write a log file anywhere either. It's all turned on, but seemingly is overwritten by something we cannot identify. |
| 08:25 | <Internat> | normally the problem is apache runs as www-data so php writes as www-data |
| 08:26 | <Linodebeginner> | that is what happens indeed |
| 08:26 | <Internat> | what distribution? |
| 08:26 | <Linodebeginner> | 8.04 |
| 08:26 | <Internat> | ubuntu? |
| 08:26 | <Linodebeginner> | yes |
| 08:26 | <Internat> | well my first wrds of advice are upgrade |
| 08:26 | <Internat> | 9.10 is out. |
| 08:26 | <Internat> | but which php.ini file are you editing? |
| 08:26 | <Linodebeginner> | ohh o.k. |
| 08:27 | <Internat> | /etc/php/apache2/php.ini? |
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| 08:27 | <Internat> | i think thats the path |
| 08:27 | <Internat> | i might be slightly wrong |
| 08:27 | <Linodebeginner> | I can't cpy and paste? |
| 08:28 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini |
| 08:28 | <Internat> | nope |
| 08:28 | <Internat> | not if your using apache2's php module |
| 08:28 | <Linodebeginner> | using nginx |
| 08:28 | <Internat> | oh |
| 08:28 | <Internat> | in that case. |
| 08:29 | <Internat> | im not so sure.. never used nginx to be honest |
| 08:29 | <Linodebeginner> | my first time using it as well |
| 08:29 | <Linodebeginner> | i am really new to all of this to be honest |
| 08:29 | <Trystan> | so it works for files under 100k though? |
| 08:30 | <Linodebeginner> | for me, even works for files under 1mb for my admin who is in GB like my linode |
| 08:30 | <Linodebeginner> | doesn't work as flash based upload at all for me |
| 08:30 | <Linodebeginner> | I get instant io error |
| 08:30 | <Linodebeginner> | under 100kb for java upload |
| 08:31 | <Trystan> | odd that there would be a discrepencie between you/your admin |
| 08:31 | <Linodebeginner> | for me |
| 08:31 | <Linodebeginner> | yeah I don't get it either. He says it looks to him as if PHP may not be able to read it's own output, so that's why we changed the permissions, but we couldn't get it to work |
| 08:32 | <Linodebeginner> | MThey guy that implemented the graphics into the site says to him it looks like the flash is not even contacting the server before it breaks up |
| 08:32 | <Trystan> | by changing them |
| 08:32 | <Internat> | when you say io error, can you screen shot it |
| 08:32 | <Trystan> | did you just set it 777 for testing? |
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| 08:32 | <Trystan> | imho ignore flash for now |
| 08:33 | <Trystan> | work with one of the components |
| 08:33 | <Trystan> | rather than trying to chase 2 potentially different errors |
| 08:33 | <Trystan> | and since java is working to a degree i would follow that one for now |
| 08:33 | <Linodebeginner> | yeah that's a good idea. I wouldn't need the flash upload if the Java works |
| 08:34 | <Linodebeginner> | The IO error only happens in flash so do you want a screenshot still? |
| 08:34 | <Trystan> | it may help, also what happens in java when it errors |
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| 08:34 | <Linodebeginner> | Trystan set what to 777? |
| 08:34 | <Trystan> | the permissions of the directory you are uploading to |
| 08:34 | <Linodebeginner> | So how do I find that out Trystan? |
| 08:35 | <Linodebeginner> | the permissions i will look I asked how I find Java errors out |
| 08:35 | <Trystan> | your admin would be the best person to discuss it with, however in ssh 'ls -al' will tell you the permission |
| 08:39 | <Linodebeginner> | There is a new folder for javascript uploaded files, you want the permissions of that one yes? |
| 08:40 | <Linodebeginner> | -rwxrwxrwx owner is website and group is website |
| 08:41 | <Linodebeginner> | s no &data |
| 08:41 | <Linodebeginner> | like it was for flash |
| 08:42 | <Linodebeginner> | I'm trying to get my admin to come here, but he seems to be busy right now, however I will tell him what you guys said and I'm sure it'll help us greatly |
| 08:42 | <Trystan> | permissions are fine |
| 08:42 | <Linodebeginner> | This is no lie by the way. I'm not trying to get by all of this myself. My knowledge is too limited |
| 08:42 | <Trystan> | means anyone can read/write to it (absolutly anyone on the system) |
| 08:42 | <Linodebeginner> | that's how it should be i suppose |
| 08:42 | <Trystan> | so there shouldnt be an issue with accessing/tracking progress unless it is an issue with java itself |
| 08:43 | <Linodebeginner> | is there a log file that i could have java create to post it or something like that? |
| 08:43 | <Trystan> | tbh i dont care if it is a lie, most of us are here to help where we can :) |
| 08:43 | <Trystan> | mmmm.. i don't do enough with java/javascript sorry not sure |
| 08:44 | <Trystan> | i am curious though as to why you are using a layer over php to do it |
| 08:44 | <Trystan> | rather than just a php upload script |
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| 08:46 | <Linodebeginner> | Oh I didn't program the sofware myself or have it custom made. That's just how the software does it. |
| 08:46 | <Linodebeginner> | You think that would be a viable workaround? |
| 08:47 | <Linodebeginner> | I think I may be editing the wrong php.ini here. I mean that I won't write a log file should be hint enough right? I think internat was on to something here. |
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| 08:49 | <Linodebeginner> | How do you search for files. I'd like to know if I have multiple php.inis |
| 08:49 | <Linodebeginner> | ? |
| 08:50 | <Linodebeginner> | you can tell me to google if that would be best for me by the way, don't be shy ;-) |
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| 08:52 | <MikeSeth> | uhm how long does it take to get the linode account activated? |
| 08:55 | <Linodebeginner> | find ~/etc -iname '*.ini' |
| 08:55 | <Linodebeginner> | would that work for me? |
| 08:56 | <MikeSeth> | looplog: try locate php.ini |
| 08:57 | <Linodebeginner> | locate command not found |
| 08:57 | <MikeSeth> | well then find / -iname 'php.ini' |
| 08:57 | <MikeSeth> | in Debian etc systems it's always under /etc/php5 |
| 08:57 | <Linodebeginner> | mike i would answer, but I don't know. For me it took minutes |
| 08:58 | <Linodebeginner> | it's under etc/php5/cgi for me, but I'm not sure that one does much as it's unable to create a log file like I told it to |
| 08:58 | <Internat> | apt-get install locate |
| 08:58 | <Internat> | updatedb |
| 08:58 | <Internat> | locate -i php.ini |
| 08:58 | <MikeSeth> | also for you to be aware of, PHP has a setting that defines maximum size of uploaded files |
| 08:58 | <MikeSeth> | i'm not sure what a log file has to do with it |
| 08:59 | <Linodebeginner> | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 08:59 | <Linodebeginner> | whoops |
| 08:59 | <Internat> | need to be root |
| 08:59 | <MikeSeth> | well at least we know you're no a debian system |
| 08:59 | <MikeSeth> | s/no/on/ |
| 08:59 | <Linodebeginner> | Yeah Mike that is set to 64MB max size to 20MB execution time to 300 |
| 08:59 | <Linodebeginner> | it's ubunto 8.04 |
| 09:00 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: the .ini file youre looking at is not necessarily the one PHP reads |
| 09:00 | <Linodebeginner> | yeah it most likely isn't |
| 09:00 | <MikeSeth> | create test.php in your web directory and put into it |
| 09:00 | <MikeSeth> | <?php phpinfo(); |
| 09:00 | <MikeSeth> | then open http://whatever/test.php and read it carefully |
| 09:00 | <Linodebeginner> | that's why I'm trying to see if there is another one somewhere that's being read |
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| 09:01 | <MikeSeth> | it will tell you both which php.ini is being read and what the real uploaded file size limit is |
| 09:01 | <MikeSeth> | also in case you are not aware of that.. in most scenarios editing the .ini file requires a server restart |
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| 09:02 | <MikeSeth> | so when's my damn account getting activated! |
| 09:02 | <MikeSeth> | i have a dedi box with a production mailserver in it that's dying.. and I really wanna get rid of the damn thing |
| 09:04 | <Linodebeginner> | i restarted php, then nginx, then server after setting it |
| 09:05 | <Linodebeginner> | I will try creating the test.php, but thanks for the help. |
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| 09:07 | <MikeSeth> | dunno why you went with nginx.. that's somewhat of a pro tool |
| 09:07 | <MikeSeth> | shoulda started with apache 1 then switch to nginx when time comes |
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| 09:08 | <Linodebeginner> | You're most likely right, but I figured since this is a new world for me, might as well start with what the pros use instead of learning appache and then having to learn nginx from there. |
| 09:08 | <Linodebeginner> | it looked like a good idea since the site is pretty static |
| 09:09 | <MikeSeth> | well the price you pay is that there's way less people who are familiar with nginx and way less information and tutorials |
| 09:09 | <Linodebeginner> | That's true. |
| 09:09 | <MikeSeth> | and if the site is static you should ditch nginx and go with thttpd.. then again if you run PHP then your site is not static |
| 09:09 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:09 | <Linodebeginner> | oh lol yeah makes sense |
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| 09:10 | <Linodebeginner> | Hey mikegrb script old chap, I missed you. |
| 09:10 | <Espen-_-> | How come my new Ubuntu 9.10 wont let me login with ssh? |
| 09:10 | <Espen-_-> | I added my user to the ssh group |
| 09:11 | <MikeSeth> | Espen-_-: check logs first |
| 09:11 | <MikeSeth> | /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/messages |
| 09:11 | <Yaakov> | I use netcat for httpd. Yes, it does take up a lot of my time but I can be sure everything is correct. |
| 09:11 | <MikeSeth> | I see what you did there |
| 09:12 | <Espen-_-> | MikeSeth: The error was sitting in the chair, sshing to the wrong ip :P |
| 09:12 | <MikeSeth> | Espen-_-: happens :P |
| 09:12 | <MikeSeth> | killing off ssh password auth is like the first thing im gonna do when my linode comes up |
| 09:12 | <Espen-_-> | I am changing the ssh port |
| 09:12 | <MikeSeth> | damn it takes too long I wanna start working already |
| 09:13 | <Espen-_-> | and set up iptables |
| 09:13 | * | MikeSeth ponders port knocking |
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| 09:19 | <brenton> | does anyone know how to use mod_gnutls |
| 09:21 | <Espen-_-> | want a second point of view for this: |
| 09:21 | <Espen-_-> | Should I host all my websites of 1 nginx |
| 09:21 | <Espen-_-> | Or shall I put one nginx infront and use it as proxy for my webpages |
| 09:21 | <MikeSeth> | dunno i never used it in production |
| 09:21 | <MikeSeth> | it's written by crazy russians |
| 09:21 | <Espen-_-> | hehe :P |
| 09:22 | * | MikeSeth pokes ops |
| 09:22 | <MikeSeth> | activate my account damnit |
| 09:22 | <Espen-_-> | hehe |
| 09:22 | <Espen-_-> | My account got actived in less then 2 minutes |
| 09:23 | <MikeSeth> | then wtf |
| 09:25 | <Espen-_-> | Check your visa card :P |
| 09:26 | <guinea-pig> | it's sunday morning :P |
| 09:26 | <MikeSeth> | Espen-_-: its the company card it should be a problem |
| 09:26 | <MikeSeth> | guinea-pig: uhh.. sunday is a holiday in christian countries |
| 09:26 | <MikeSeth> | right |
| 09:27 | <Espen-_-> | checked your email? |
| 09:27 | <MikeSeth> | under bosses' control.. ill go bug em |
| 09:27 | <Espen-_-> | I got 3 email |
| 09:27 | <Espen-_-> | invoice, receipt and account activated |
| 09:27 | <Espen-_-> | all within one minute |
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| 09:27 | <Espen-_-> | And that was one hour ago |
| 09:28 | <Espen-_-> | And I bought the smallest linode |
| 09:28 | <spkitty> | it's automated Espen-_- unless the system flags a problem afaik |
| 09:28 | <MikeSeth> | durr |
| 09:28 | <Espen-_-> | yeah it has to be :) |
| 09:28 | <apeiron> | Holiday? Hardly. |
| 09:28 | <MikeSeth> | ok ill go clean up some old boxes for killin' now |
| 09:29 | <spkitty> | mine was flagged for problems with the address on the card so it ended up taking hours because i decided to set it up when everybody else in the world was asleep :v |
| 09:29 | <Linodebeginner> | MikeSeth I tried uploading the test.php, but upon opening I get No input file specified. |
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| 09:29 | <Linodebeginner> | MikeSeth I tried uploading the test.php, but upon opening I get no input file specified |
| 09:29 | <Linodebeginner> | sry for double post |
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| 09:30 | <Linodebeginner> | Oh I think you are gone. hmm |
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| 09:31 | <Linodebeginner> | so @all when browser gives me no input file specified when I open the test.php in my browser what does that tell me? |
| 09:32 | <Linodebeginner> | wish my admin was there right now... |
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| 09:33 | <Linodebeginner> | This is correct? <?php phpinfo(); not <?php phpinfo(); >? |
| 09:33 | <A-KO> | <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 09:33 | <Linodebeginner> | k will try that |
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| 09:35 | <Linodebeginner> | ow i cannot upload wth? |
| 09:35 | <Linodebeginner> | grrrr |
| 09:36 | <Linodebeginner> | open for write: permission denied |
| 09:36 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:36 | <Linodebeginner> | lol i only used this ftp account to upload 100 other files just fine |
| 09:38 | <MikeSeth> | A-KO: closing ?> is a bad habit |
| 09:39 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. i canot upload the test.php Thanks for the help you guys, but I'm too dumb apparently to help myself |
| 09:39 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: see if you didnt use nginx I'd have an idea how to help you' |
| 09:39 | <Linodebeginner> | oh hey mike, so the file was correct the way you told me? |
| 09:39 | <A-KO> | I wasn't aware that closing your tags was bad form?.... |
| 09:39 | <MikeSeth> | anyway ftp? |
| 09:39 | <Linodebeginner> | yes ftp for the site but i have sftp with root user as well neither one works for me |
| 09:40 | <MikeSeth> | A-KO: it is because if you accidentally leak a whitespace after the closing tag then you'll break a lot of stuff and on big codebases it's near impossible to find manually |
| 09:40 | <Linodebeginner> | to upload the test.php i'll have to recheck if everything is correct |
| 09:40 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: where is your webroot? |
| 09:40 | <Linodebeginner> | you want the ip? |
| 09:40 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: no, the path |
| 09:40 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. hold on |
| 09:41 | <MikeSeth> | it's /var/www right? |
| 09:41 | <MikeSeth> | it is typically on debian machines |
| 09:41 | <Linodebeginner> | home/website/public_html |
| 09:42 | <MikeSeth> | then you should be able to upload as user website |
| 09:42 | <Linodebeginner> | yes that's what I'm trying |
| 09:42 | <Linodebeginner> | I must have somethig messed up hold on |
| 09:42 | <MikeSeth> | try test1.php |
| 09:42 | <MikeSeth> | just in case |
| 09:43 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. |
| 09:44 | <Linodebeginner> | all seems right, correct IP FTP protocol user is website minus the .de at the end like the group and owner |
| 09:44 | <Linodebeginner> | and correct password |
| 09:44 | <Linodebeginner> | will try test1 |
| 09:44 | <MikeSeth> | first switch to scp/sftp |
| 09:44 | <MikeSeth> | also set up ssh key authentication |
| 09:45 | <MikeSeth> | ftp is so 1990 |
| 09:46 | <Linodebeginner> | nope won't let me upload that one either |
| 09:46 | <MikeSeth> | then do ls -l1 /home/website/public_html |
| 09:46 | <Linodebeginner> | that is set up but only for root user |
| 09:47 | <MikeSeth> | see who owns public_html and what permissions are on it (and whether you are logging in as the same user) |
| 09:47 | <Linodebeginner> | i tried using both,could a transfer going on at the moment be blocking other transfers right now? |
| 09:47 | <MikeSeth> | no, shouldnt be the case |
| 09:48 | <MikeSeth> | unless there's artificial restrictions in ftpd configuration |
| 09:48 | <Linodebeginner> | yes website (minus .de) owns the public_html folder permissions drwxrwxrwx |
| 09:49 | <MikeSeth> | from shell do: touch ~websites/public_html/test |
| 09:49 | <MikeSeth> | do you get permission denied? |
| 09:49 | <MikeSeth> | websites -> website |
| 09:51 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. ls -ll home/website/public_html seems to work |
| 09:52 | * | MikeSeth pokers caker et al |
| 09:52 | <MikeSeth> | I can has my account?! |
| 09:53 | <Linodebeginner> | touch: cannot touch |
| 09:53 | <Linodebeginner> | no such file or directory? |
| 09:53 | * | MikeSeth shrugs |
| 09:54 | <erikh> | perms |
| 09:54 | <erikh> | touch should always succeed |
| 09:54 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: pastebin it |
| 09:54 | <Linodebeginner> | errr |
| 09:54 | <erikh> | (unless it doesn't have access to write the file) |
| 09:54 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: do this: |
| 09:54 | <MikeSeth> | id |
| 09:54 | <MikeSeth> | ls -l /home/website |
| 09:54 | <MikeSeth> | and pastebin the output |
| 09:55 | <Linodebeginner> | sitename is danastock.de so this is what I put in exactly: sudo ~danastock.de/public_html/test |
| 09:55 | <Linodebeginner> | will do |
| 09:55 | <MikeSeth> | what |
| 09:55 | <MikeSeth> | sudo? |
| 09:55 | <MikeSeth> | no |
| 09:55 | <Linodebeginner> | no sudo o.k. |
| 09:55 | <MikeSeth> | just do id ; ls -l ~ |
| 09:56 | <Linodebeginner> | uid=1000(peter) gid=1000(peter) groups=1000(peter),1001(webmasters) |
| 09:56 | <MikeSeth> | derp |
| 09:56 | <MikeSeth> | so you are not the same user |
| 09:57 | <MikeSeth> | do this |
| 09:57 | <MikeSeth> | sudo adduser peter webmasters |
| 09:57 | <Linodebeginner> | so i should be using peter, but the website is all owned by user danastock peter is the admin |
| 09:57 | <MikeSeth> | sudo chgrp -R ~website/public_html |
| 09:58 | <MikeSeth> | sudo chmod g+ws -R ~website |
| 09:58 | <MikeSeth> | errrr strike that last one |
| 09:58 | <MikeSeth> | instead |
| 09:58 | <MikeSeth> | sudo chmod g+w -R ~website/public_html |
| 09:58 | <MikeSeth> | and |
| 09:58 | <MikeSeth> | and sudo find ~website/public_html -type d -exec chmod g+ws {} \; |
| 09:59 | <MikeSeth> | then logout as peter and log bthen log out and log back ina |
| 09:59 | <MikeSeth> | durrr sorry for the spam wave |
| 09:59 | <Linodebeginner> | chgrp: missing operand after `~website/public_html' |
| 09:59 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: screw this login as danastock.de :) |
| 10:00 | <Linodebeginner> | what in the console? |
| 10:00 | -!- | cout_ [~cout@li2-82.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 10:00 | -!- | dKingston [~unsigned_@65-78-93-47.c3-0.tlg-ubr2.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] |
| 10:02 | <Linodebeginner> | I'm logged in as peter@danastock right now and should have all rights here or so I believe |
| 10:02 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: in your case console and ftp i assume |
| 10:02 | <MikeSeth> | no you wouldn't |
| 10:02 | <Linodebeginner> | i'm logged in as danastock in my ftp |
| 10:02 | <Linodebeginner> | already |
| 10:03 | <MikeSeth> | you need to set the group owner of ~website/public_html and all its contents to webmasters |
| 10:03 | <Linodebeginner> | doesn't let me copy the file, although i have copied a bunch of files before |
| 10:03 | <Linodebeginner> | ahh o.k. and that's what you are trying to guide me to do now |
| 10:04 | <MikeSeth> | well in the correct setup (as far as I am concerned) that'd be the case |
| 10:04 | <MikeSeth> | but you can spare yourself suffering and just log in as website both in ftp and console |
| 10:04 | <MikeSeth> | then you would be able to do test.php etc |
| 10:04 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. |
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| 10:06 | * | MikeSeth pokes jed |
| 10:06 | * | MikeSeth pokes caker |
| 10:06 | * | Peng pokepokes MikeSeth |
| 10:07 | <MikeSeth> | Perihelion: you staff? |
| 10:07 | <MikeSeth> | err, Peng |
| 10:07 | <Peng> | !ops |
| 10:07 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. or urmom. |
| 10:07 | <Peng> | I just like poking people. |
| 10:07 | <MikeSeth> | i see |
| 10:08 | * | Yaakov thrusts large into Peng. |
| 10:08 | <MikeSeth> | dang |
| 10:09 | <Linodebeginner> | I tried getting in but cannot figure out the password when trying to log in as danastock throgh putty |
| 10:09 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: just change it |
| 10:09 | <MikeSeth> | sudo passwd username |
| 10:09 | <Peng> | The password is whatever you set it to, baby. |
| 10:10 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:10 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:10 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. or urmom. |
| 10:10 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:10 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:10 | <MikeSeth> | SpaceHobo: yes that don't help |
| 10:10 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:10 | * | Yaakov thrusts large into SpaceHobo. |
| 10:10 | <MikeSeth> | they charged the credit card but still no account activation |
| 10:10 | <MikeSeth> | damn sunday |
| 10:10 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:10 | <Peng> | MikeSeth: They should have only authorized it. |
| 10:11 | <MikeSeth> | -- Your account is currently pending activation -- |
| 10:11 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:11 | <Linodebeginner> | sudo command not found lol |
| 10:12 | <SirSquidness> | Recommendations, kgo - a combination of forum / news/blog / wiki, with a common user database <3 |
| 10:12 | <Linodebeginner> | I'm about to puke here |
| 10:13 | <Linodebeginner> | I can't do shit without the admin that set this up it looks like |
| 10:13 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: login as root, apt-get install sudo |
| 10:14 | <Linodebeginner> | sudo is already the newest version |
| 10:14 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:14 | <A-KO> | lol @ sudo |
| 10:14 | <Linodebeginner> | is what it tells me |
| 10:14 | <MikeSeth> | i dont get it |
| 10:14 | <MikeSeth> | this isnt your box? |
| 10:14 | <Linodebeginner> | yeah me neither |
| 10:14 | <Trystan> | he has an admin who manages it |
| 10:14 | <Linodebeginner> | it is my box |
| 10:14 | <Trystan> | is what he meant |
| 10:14 | <Linodebeginner> | yes that's what i mean |
| 10:15 | <Linodebeginner> | I'm linux newbie and first time website owner, so i had to get help for this as I did want the linode benefits |
| 10:15 | <MikeSeth> | Linodebeginner: so do you have root access? |
| 10:15 | <Linodebeginner> | yes i do |
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| 10:16 | <MikeSeth> | uhm |
| 10:16 | <MikeSeth> | then log in as root and do passwd username |
| 10:16 | <MikeSeth> | to change the website account password |
| 10:19 | <@Perihelion> | MikeSeth: ? |
| 10:19 | <Yaakov> | PERLIHELLION |
| 10:19 | <@Perihelion> | :3 |
| 10:19 | <MikeSeth> | Perihelion: my account is stuck in activation |
| 10:20 | <MikeSeth> | by stuck i mean no one probably activated it yet.. |
| 10:20 | <@Perihelion> | It was probably flagged |
| 10:20 | <@Perihelion> | PM me the username? |
| 10:22 | <MikeSeth> | yay finally |
| 10:22 | <Trystan> | yay fraud protection :) |
| 10:23 | <MikeSeth> | umm should I pick a 64bit distro? does it make any difference? |
| 10:24 | <guinea-pig> | do you *need* 64-bit? |
| 10:24 | <Trystan> | if you have a 64 bit application specifically to run then for sure. if you dont need it.. then it is a bit each way |
| 10:24 | <MikeSeth> | nvm went with ubuntu 32 already |
| 10:24 | <randallman> | oyo |
| 10:24 | <randallman> | am yall |
| 10:25 | <guinea-pig> | Trystan: orly? i thought 64bit is wasteful unless you specifically need it, has that changed? |
| 10:25 | <Trystan> | guinea-pig: no |
| 10:25 | <Trystan> | not afaik anyway |
| 10:25 | <randallman> | binaries are bigger :) |
| 10:25 | <randallman> | text segments larger |
| 10:25 | <Yaakov> | IT'S PI DAY AND ALBERT'S BIRTHDAY |
| 10:25 | <randallman> | stacks stackier |
| 10:25 | <Trystan> | i've always been taught 64 bit for 3.5gb ram and larger or 64 bit specific apps |
| 10:25 | <Trystan> | Yaakov: Pi day was yesterday... |
| 10:25 | <Trystan> | weird people who are a day behind are weird.. |
| 10:25 | <A-KO> | it's today |
| 10:26 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:26 | <A-KO> | lol |
| 10:26 | <randallman> | Interesting holiday |
| 10:26 | <randallman> | ... |
| 10:26 | <A-KO> | 64-bit is useless on the linode unless you need it, sure--but not so much on your regular PC or VM Servers that you build yourself, etc. |
| 10:26 | <randallman> | oh fakall.... We uhm, lost and hr last night |
| 10:26 | <randallman> | :) |
| 10:26 | <randallman> | no wonder Im tired. |
| 10:26 | <guinea-pig> | Trystan: well, if you have a linode with 3.5gb ram, than be my guest |
| 10:27 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:27 | <Trystan> | guinea-pig: yea lol, some people still 'want' it |
| 10:27 | <Trystan> | i dont mind either way |
| 10:28 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. I'm root now took me a minute |
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| 10:28 | <randallman> | we do 64 bit VM's QUITE frequently @ $work when we're deploying pre-prod environments for COTS software... We want preprod to run the same bins as prod... Even if preprod has < 3.5GB/ram |
| 10:29 | <Trystan> | sounds like a understandable reasoning |
| 10:29 | <randallman> | yeah not sure how much that would apply to linode :) |
| 10:30 | <randallman> | I wonder, show of hands, how many linode users are using any COTS software (short of the web managerrs like plesk) |
| 10:30 | <randallman> | on thier linodes, that is |
| 10:30 | <@Perihelion> | i know people have deployed 64 bit 360s because they knew theyd expand quickly haha |
| 10:30 | <@Perihelion> | they were right |
| 10:30 | <randallman> | self fulfilling prophecy! |
| 10:30 | <@Perihelion> | \o/ |
| 10:30 | <@Perihelion> | Back to failing an exam I go |
| 10:30 | <@Perihelion> | woot. |
| 10:30 | <Trystan> | randallman: COTS that is 64 bit or just COTS |
| 10:31 | <@Perihelion> | PS: If any of you are file systems analysis pros...halp :< |
| 10:31 | <randallman> | COTS period |
| 10:31 | <Trystan> | Perihelion: format it :D |
| 10:31 | <randallman> | oracle, jboss.com, something of that nature |
| 10:31 | <guinea-pig> | Perihelion: that is a scary thing to be needing to ask for |
| 10:31 | <Trystan> | randallman: not on linode, but on a vps environment I manage a few |
| 10:31 | <randallman> | I would just think it rarer |
| 10:32 | <Trystan> | yea |
| 10:32 | <randallman> | to run some software you gotta pay 10's of 1000's on a linode that costs ~39.99 a month |
| 10:32 | <Linodebeginner> | so sudo passwd user won't work for me still even as root |
| 10:32 | <Trystan> | yea |
| 10:32 | <randallman> | what? |
| 10:32 | <randallman> | passwd $username should work as root |
| 10:32 | <Trystan> | which is why mine wasnt exactly relevent |
| 10:32 | <randallman> | unless /etc/shadow is f'd |
| 10:32 | <Linodebeginner> | so sudo passwd &username |
| 10:32 | <Trystan> | since it is on a VM cluster we maintain for corperate customers |
| 10:32 | <Linodebeginner> | right? |
| 10:32 | <randallman> | no |
| 10:33 | <randallman> | if you are root |
| 10:33 | <Trystan> | so not exactly a $39 environment running 1000 software :) |
| 10:33 | <Linodebeginner> | haha o.k. what then for dummies pls |
| 10:33 | <randallman> | just 'passwd theusername' |
| 10:33 | <Linodebeginner> | upon entering just the passwd and username it tells me -su: command not found |
| 10:33 | <randallman> | /bin/passwd ? |
| 10:34 | <randallman> | err /usr/bin/passwd |
| 10:34 | <randallman> | sorry ;) |
| 10:34 | <guinea-pig> | not the passwd. passwd is the command |
| 10:34 | <Linodebeginner> | ahh geesh |
| 10:34 | <Linodebeginner> | I'm such an idiot |
| 10:34 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:34 | <Trystan> | lol |
| 10:34 | <Trystan> | perhaps |
| 10:34 | <Trystan> | but everyone starts somewhere |
| 10:34 | <Trystan> | dont stress |
| 10:34 | <randallman> | nah, just a FNG |
| 10:34 | <randallman> | :-) |
| 10:34 | <randallman> | plow through it an you'd be a cluebie before too long :) |
| 10:35 | <Linodebeginner> | I'm so new to this, I don't even know what FNG means. *starts smiling like a Chinese hooker* |
| 10:35 | <randallman> | FNG is not related to unix :) |
| 10:35 | <erikh> | PFY. |
| 10:35 | <Trystan> | f... new guy |
| 10:35 | <randallman> | FNG = fscking new guy :) |
| 10:35 | <Linodebeginner> | yip that's true |
| 10:35 | <guinea-pig> | i'm not new to this, but i've never heard of FNG either |
| 10:35 | <erikh> | FNG is not necessarily a PFY |
| 10:35 | <guinea-pig> | PFY on the other hand... that's a classic |
| 10:35 | <erikh> | could just be a BOFH that hasn't gotten medical yet |
| 10:35 | <@Perihelion> | Trystan: but i need to forensically analyze it :( cant format |
| 10:35 | <Linodebeginner> | i know different cat's pics that tell me get off my iternetz |
| 10:35 | <randallman> | I have no idea what PFY means ;) |
| 10:36 | <erikh> | pimply-faced youth |
| 10:36 | <Trystan> | Perihelion: we always outsource that sorry |
| 10:36 | <randallman> | FNG is more of a military term... US military |
| 10:36 | <guinea-pig> | read more about PFY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell |
| 10:36 | <Trystan> | fairly common non IT term too |
| 10:37 | <Linodebeginner> | wohoooo password updated nw where was I? |
| 10:37 | <Linodebeginner> | Oh yeah use rthat pasword to login as user danastock, mmmm k |
| 10:38 | <Linodebeginner> | can I logij as that user from the console without loggin all out of it like just change my user? I'm sure I can. Would one of you tell me how to please? |
| 10:38 | <randallman> | su - username |
| 10:38 | <randallman> | or if you wanted to learn something fun, read about 'sudo' |
| 10:39 | <Linodebeginner> | I will do that for sure |
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| 10:39 | <randallman> | su = switch user :0 |
| 10:39 | <randallman> | the - = make it a login shell thereby reading my environment files like .bash_profile |
| 10:40 | <mikegrb> | roflz |
| 10:40 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. itg takes the password and doesn't change my user rofl |
| 10:40 | <Linodebeginner> | I think I' about to trap my head in a door |
| 10:40 | <randallman> | did you give the new user a shell? |
| 10:40 | <Linodebeginner> | Why cant I do something that I know how to do? |
| 10:40 | <Linodebeginner> | WEhat is a shell? |
| 10:40 | <Linodebeginner> | No I didn't. |
| 10:41 | <Linodebeginner> | so didn't that user have one already? |
| 10:41 | <randallman> | Dunno how'd you create it |
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| 10:41 | <Linodebeginner> | it's been created a month ago or something |
| 10:41 | <Linodebeginner> | I didn't do it |
| 10:41 | <randallman> | cat /etc/passwd | egrep "^username" |
| 10:41 | <randallman> | should be one line... |
| 10:41 | <randallman> | rather |
| 10:41 | <randallman> | cat /etc/passwd | egrep "^username:" |
| 10:42 | <Linodebeginner> | I set the box up myself with the help of tuts, then decided it was assassine wioth my knowledge to try and get that up and running, so I got myself an experienced admin and he did it all for me creating users, setting up FTP, etc. |
| 10:42 | <Linodebeginner> | so he undid all I did first and set it up from scratch |
| 10:43 | <Linodebeginner> | randallman do that under what user as root? |
| 10:43 | <randallman> | sure |
| 10:43 | <Linodebeginner> | k |
| 10:43 | <Linodebeginner> | so is passwd the passwd i set up now or again just the word passwd? |
| 10:44 | <Linodebeginner> | and how do i differnetiate anyway when people tell me such commands? |
| 10:44 | <Linodebeginner> | would help to read a unix book i suppose right? |
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| 10:44 | <Linodebeginner> | And more importantly do you know Kevin Randleman? |
| 10:45 | <randallman> | No, I do not - but I know who he is :) |
| 10:45 | <Linodebeginner> | haha that's what I meant |
| 10:45 | <randallman> | Pride FC |
| 10:45 | <Linodebeginner> | yeah the guy is a beast or rather was |
| 10:45 | <randallman> | He was a beast in his time |
| 10:45 | <randallman> | in his prime, he would not bode well in the UFC HW Div |
| 10:45 | <Linodebeginner> | since his staff infection he pretty much disappeared |
| 10:46 | <randallman> | Meaning, today's H/W's are far tougher than 8 years ago's H/Ws |
| 10:46 | <randallman> | you see 110? |
| 10:46 | <Linodebeginner> | well he could make 205, so he would have wrecked havoc on those guys in the division 4 years ago |
| 10:46 | <randallman> | Cain Velasquez beat down Antonio Rogero Minitaro Noguera |
| 10:46 | <Linodebeginner> | Yeah I see everry UFC, most WEC events and used to watch Pride and I watch some boxing and kickboxing |
| 10:46 | <randallman> | you think randleman could have beat chuck-pre-punchdrunk? |
| 10:47 | <randallman> | I suppose this is an academic conversation |
| 10:47 | <Linodebeginner> | Yes, most definately could have by holding him down. Chuck has no sub game and Randleman can hold anybody not named Fedor down |
| 10:47 | <randallman> | since it didnt happen and never will :) |
| 10:47 | <randallman> | Chuck had a serious takedown def. tho |
| 10:48 | <randallman> | noone took him down and held him down since Randy I |
| 10:48 | <Linodebeginner> | serious when tito and Babalu take you down, not serious enough for the best freestyle wrestler ever to be in MMA |
| 10:48 | <MikeSeth> | yay finally |
| 10:48 | <randallman> | Ok perhaps :) |
| 10:48 | <Linodebeginner> | Randleman has better shots than Randy by far |
| 10:48 | <Linodebeginner> | I don't know we'll never know. It's all speculation |
| 10:48 | <randallman> | btw, you play GTA4? |
| 10:48 | <randallman> | Bas Rutten had a mini-show on GTA4 :P |
| 10:48 | <Linodebeginner> | ni I play no games at all |
| 10:48 | <randallman> | called the Mens Room :) |
| 10:48 | <randallman> | it was HILARIOUS |
| 10:48 | <Linodebeginner> | i saw that yeah on sherdog |
| 10:49 | <Yaakov> | Chuck Norris and I have agreed not to fight because it would end in a draw but cause worldwide devastation. |
| 10:49 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:49 | <Linodebeginner> | badaboomdangagang lol |
| 10:49 | <randallman> | Donkada dangada bang |
| 10:49 | <Linodebeginner> | tShould have been a comedian |
| 10:49 | <randallman> | 'IN THE LIVER' |
| 10:49 | <randallman> | :p |
| 10:49 | <randallman> | yaakov, NICE :P |
| 10:49 | <Linodebeginner> | Oh I'm sry, badadang a dang dang no I'm not |
| 10:50 | <randallman> | 'you will NEVER DO THIS AGAIN' |
| 10:50 | <randallman> | :P |
| 10:50 | <randallman> | Yes Bas should have been a comedian |
| 10:50 | <Linodebeginner> | Did you see the streetfighting series from his Pride days? |
| 10:50 | <randallman> | and I still think he'd be a nice 3rd announcer @ UFC events. |
| 10:50 | <randallman> | yes |
| 10:50 | <Linodebeginner> | Oh well after all he said I'm sure they will never give him a job there |
| 10:50 | <randallman> | Not sure what he said, so |
| 10:51 | <Linodebeginner> | oh well the truth mostly |
| 10:51 | <randallman> | Drama++ |
| 10:51 | <Linodebeginner> | Dana = egomaniac, UFC = U fight cheap, underpaid fighters, insane contracts lalalala |
| 10:51 | <Linodebeginner> | same stuff Nick Diaz was harping about |
| 10:51 | <randallman> | Yeah well look at nick now |
| 10:51 | <Linodebeginner> | that was later though |
| 10:52 | <randallman> | he beat up Gomi and they stipped the W because he was stoned :) |
| 10:52 | <randallman> | Personally, Im not sure Pot is a performance enhancing drug :) But |
| 10:52 | <Linodebeginner> | so you saw that interview? |
| 10:52 | <randallman> | No |
| 10:52 | <randallman> | I just read the 'dog |
| 10:52 | <randallman> | and no I do not post |
| 10:52 | <randallman> | Im not about to get involved with those asshats :) |
| 10:52 | <Yaakov> | SHAOLIN THUNDER FIST |
| 10:52 | <randallman> | its flame-city there |
| 10:52 | <Linodebeginner> | the last one he did. You should watch that. It's floating around on the web. Nick Diaz interviews are a must. |
| 10:53 | <randallman> | he wasnt even that good... remember how angry he got when diego beat him ? |
| 10:53 | <randallman> | 'He has no right to be here etc...' |
| 10:53 | <Linodebeginner> | Yu know if I was a Ninja sitting in a tree, I'd....most hilarious shit a human being has ever said |
| 10:53 | <randallman> | anyway, this is so far off topic for #Linode :) |
| 10:53 | <randallman> | I dont wanna upset the natives :) |
| 10:54 | <Linodebeginner> | oh yeah it is, just your name prompted it |
| 10:54 | <Linodebeginner> | was fun talking UFC and all let's get back to servers and realted stuff |
| 10:54 | <Linodebeginner> | related |
| 10:54 | <randallman> | :-P |
| 10:55 | <randallman> | so that shell? |
| 10:55 | <erikh> | real ultimate power? |
| 10:55 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. i can't find the cat environment stuff you posted up can you tell me again |
| 10:55 | <randallman> | Lbgr, that command I ran |
| 10:55 | <Linodebeginner> | since I'm now root user again |
| 10:56 | <erikh> | I can learn how to fight in the UFC that way, right? |
| 10:56 | <randallman> | cat /etc/passwd | egrep "^theusername:" |
| 10:56 | <randallman> | just run that |
| 10:56 | <randallman> | erikh, heh Im thinking it may be too late to join the UFC :) |
| 10:56 | <erikh> | probably |
| 10:56 | <erikh> | but I can still look like a badass |
| 10:56 | <randallman> | perhas back in the early 90's toughmen and average fighters did OK |
| 10:57 | <erikh> | but right now I just look like an overweight charles manson |
| 10:57 | <randallman> | folks like Tank Abbott :) |
| 10:57 | <erikh> | with super nerd glasses |
| 10:57 | <randallman> | well there ya go :0 |
| 10:57 | <erikh> | kind of like cousin it. |
| 10:57 | <Linodebeginner> | danastock:x:1001:1002::/home/danastock.de:/bin/false |
| 10:57 | <randallman> | see |
| 10:57 | <randallman> | your shell is /bin/false |
| 10:57 | <randallman> | proably because that user was never to log in to the shell |
| 10:57 | <erikh> | chsh |
| 10:57 | <randallman> | you can change the shell like erikh said |
| 10:58 | <randallman> | but then that user can also login remotely via ssh |
| 10:58 | <randallman> | which is maybe not the intended result |
| 10:58 | <erikh> | chfn if chsh isn't available |
| 10:58 | <randallman> | not sure what you're goal is |
| 10:58 | <erikh> | (it probably is, but never hurts to know an alternative) |
| 10:58 | <randallman> | erikh, or vipw :) |
| 10:58 | <erikh> | randallman: shush you |
| 10:58 | <erikh> | people should know how to work without root |
| 10:58 | <Linodebeginner> | uplaod a php.test to see if the php.ini i changed is really the one being read by system |
| 10:59 | <Linodebeginner> | cause it doesn't seem to be |
| 10:59 | <randallman> | perl -p -i -e 's/danastock:(.*):\/bin\/false/danastock:$1:\/bin\/bash' /etc/passwd |
| 10:59 | <randallman> | etc.. :) |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | no. |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | heh |
| 10:59 | <Linodebeginner> | errr |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | Linodebeginner: use chsh. |
| 10:59 | <randallman> | (that last one was a joke) |
| 10:59 | <Linodebeginner> | can it get a bit more complicated pls |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | it's the right way(tm) to do it. |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | and randallman knows that as well. |
| 10:59 | <Linodebeginner> | wow that joke wasn't funny to me. Guess that's what makes the joke funny indeed. |
| 11:00 | <erikh> | you can remember chsh as 'change shell' |
| 11:00 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. but when i do that won't i fuck up my webpage? |
| 11:00 | <erikh> | no. |
| 11:00 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. i trust you guys |
| 11:00 | <randallman> | welcome to UNIX, where it's kinda funny to do things is seriously obfuscated ways.... |
| 11:00 | <randallman> | but only as a joke :) |
| 11:01 | <Linodebeginner> | so chsh and then what? |
| 11:01 | <randallman> | chsh theusername |
| 11:01 | <Linodebeginner> | Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default |
| 11:01 | <erikh> | Linodebeginner: let me introduce you to my friend the 'man' command |
| 11:01 | <randallman> | then set the login shell to /bin/bash |
| 11:01 | <randallman> | THEN you can do that 'su - theusername' |
| 11:01 | <erikh> | you can find out how to use tools like 'chsh' by typing 'man chsh' at your shell |
| 11:02 | <randallman> | and you can tool about the system as that user |
| 11:02 | <erikh> | not only will this save us all a lot of time, but you'll probably learn a lot more than we can explain to you |
| 11:02 | <randallman> | true that :) |
| 11:02 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:02 | <Linodebeginner> | oh wow now tell me how to get back out the helpfile pls lol |
| 11:02 | <erikh> | press 'q' |
| 11:03 | <Linodebeginner> | that was suer helpful indeed |
| 11:03 | <Linodebeginner> | very cool thanks you guys |
| 11:04 | <Linodebeginner> | now i wish mikeseth came back to help me with whatever he was planning on doing with me |
| 11:04 | <Linodebeginner> | he seemed to have a plan |
| 11:06 | <Linodebeginner> | but i can jump from user to user now so i learned something |
| 11:08 | <Linodebeginner> | o.k. he told me to login as user danastock which i finally am to upload test.php through consle i believe |
| 11:10 | <Linodebeginner> | cause my problem using ftp was /home/danastock.de/public_html/test.php: open for write: permission denied |
| 11:12 | <Linodebeginner> | and how cool is that php.test is up yipeee |
| 11:12 | <Linodebeginner> | thanks you guys |
| 11:13 | <Linodebeginner> | so the file it reads is /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini |
| 11:13 | <Linodebeginner> | which is the one i changed |
| 11:13 | <Linodebeginner> | so that seems o.k. |
| 11:14 | <Linodebeginner> | memory_limit 256M seems o.k. |
| 11:14 | <Linodebeginner> | post_max_size 128M is o.k. |
| 11:14 | <Linodebeginner> | and max file size 20MB is o.k. |
| 11:15 | <Linodebeginner> | could this be the problem? mysql.connect_timeout 60? not really eh? |
| 11:17 | <Linodebeginner> | Well error log and everythg is being read fine from the php.ini, so I'm wondering why I get no errors, even though my upload fails hmmmmm |
| 11:17 | <Linodebeginner> | it'S not even creating a text file.... |
| 11:18 | <Linodebeginner> | Anybody still around here? the original problem is that I cannot upload files via flash or java from my manager of the hotostore i have running |
| 11:19 | <Linodebeginner> | My admin can get 1Mb files to upload, the folks that sell the store apparently get up to 3MB, I can get 100kB to upload buzt only through java. I want at least java to work and be able to upload up to around 10MB |
| 11:20 | <randallman> | does the app have write perms to the directory(ies)? |
| 11:20 | <randallman> | Im taking a shot in the dark here |
| 11:20 | <randallman> | I have no idea what app(s) your using |
| 11:20 | <randallman> | or how you are trying to use them |
| 11:20 | <randallman> | and it would take a great deal of time to unravel all of that :) |
| 11:21 | <Yaakov> | Linodebeginner: Could I ask you a favor? Would you please reduce the length of your nick? You are sending a lot of lines and it makes the screen much harder to visually parse here. |
| 11:21 | <Linodebeginner> | reduce my name? o.k. should be easy enough will just use lbegin is that short enough? |
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| 11:22 | <lbegin> | O.k. better? |
| 11:22 | <lbegin> | this is what I was told: I suspect something on the server is preventing large files to be uploaded but I won't have an idea what it could be. |
| 11:22 | <Yaakov> | Yes, thanks very much. |
| 11:22 | <lbegin> | No problem. |
| 11:22 | <lbegin> | It doesn't seem to be the php.ini |
| 11:23 | <lbegin> | You guys don't have to troubleshoot me all the way through this, but since neither my admin, nor ktools, nor the PHP guy nor me have any idea what this could be, I don't think aybody else can really tell m |
| 11:24 | <lbegin> | me much, so that#s why I'm asking if anyone has an idea what's going on. I'm using a bunch of PHP scripts called photostore by ktools running on ubunto 8.04 with nginx and php5 |
| 11:25 | <randallman> | Perhaps it is an interesting problem to solve :) You just need to figure out where the issue starts :) |
| 11:25 | <randallman> | error logs etc... |
| 11:25 | <randallman> | surely something is telling you something :) |
| 11:25 | <lbegin> | well the error logs are not being written, that's why I have trouble finding anything out really |
| 11:26 | <JDLSpeedy> | accessing that url via browser, does it give any error from browser? |
| 11:26 | <lbegin> | our guess was the php.ini is not being read, something overriding it, but that doesn't seem to be the case from the test.php |
| 11:27 | <lbegin> | the danstock.de url? |
| 11:27 | <JDLSpeedy> | ya |
| 11:27 | <lbegin> | danastock.de url or which url? |
| 11:27 | <JDLSpeedy> | the url of which your trying to upload to |
| 11:27 | <lbegin> | no error on the site itself no |
| 11:28 | <lbegin> | flash uplod used to say IO error almost instantly |
| 11:28 | <lbegin> | the java one just fails and doesn't tell me anything |
| 11:29 | <lbegin> | with larger file sizes that is it works fine until about 1MB I believe |
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| 11:32 | <lbegin> | i can get up to 1.5 MB seems like I only got roundabout 15 seconds to upload |
| 11:32 | <lbegin> | however in php.ini i set max execution time to 200 |
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| 11:33 | <lbegin> | PHP writes no error log text, so anyone got any ideas left? |
| 11:35 | <JDLSpeedy> | what about ur web servers error log |
| 11:35 | <JDLSpeedy> | can you upload a file other means? |
| 11:36 | <lbegin> | yes SFTP works fine I can upload anything I want that way |
| 11:36 | <lbegin> | I'm trying to find nginx error log right now |
| 11:36 | <JDLSpeedy> | i mean, your trying to upload file via browser |
| 11:36 | <JDLSpeedy> | correct? |
| 11:37 | <lbegin> | yes |
| 11:37 | <lbegin> | cause that's what users will be using anyway, those not on the immediate team |
| 11:38 | <JDLSpeedy> | can you upload the data using another method without java? like try a browser based upload |
| 11:38 | <HoopyCat> | isn't there that phpinfo() function or something that'll sput php's current settings? |
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| 11:38 | <JDLSpeedy> | its phpinfo(); |
| 11:39 | <HoopyCat> | JDLSpeedy: well, i got 9 out of 10 octets right, i'm still claiming my prize for useless memory :-) |
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| 11:40 | <lbegin> | PHP reads the php.ini which has all the correct settings as far as I can tell and admin and PHP guy agree with me on that |
| 11:40 | <JDLSpeedy> | well, if you want to be technical its <? phpinfo(); ?> |
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| 11:40 | <lbegin> | nginx error log has 0kB |
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| 11:41 | <JDLSpeedy> | HoopyCat: i win |
| 11:41 | <HoopyCat> | when in doubt, though, simplify... <form action="blarf.php">select a beefy file: <input type="file" name="something"><input type="submit" value="Send"></form> |
| 11:41 | <HoopyCat> | my scrollback includes words like java and flash, so i'm not sure if plain ol' http upload has been tried yet |
| 11:42 | <JDLSpeedy> | and its: <form enctype="multipart/form-data" action="uploader.php" method="POST"> |
| 11:42 | <lbegin> | don't think the sofware offers it and I myself don't know anything, so I also don't know howplain ol' http upload goes |
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| 11:42 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: this has been verified using <? phpinfo(); ?>, correct? php loves to read the darndest php.ini files... |
| 11:42 | <lbegin> | yes that was just verified with the help of a user here |
| 11:43 | <HoopyCat> | when in doubt, listen to JDLSpeedy... i know the generalities, he knows the specifics :-) |
| 11:43 | <lbegin> | well i would listen to both of you, because I specifically don't know any generalities |
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| 11:45 | <lbegin> | And HoopyCat you pointed me down the right path before |
| 11:45 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: whip up a quick php script that accepts a file upload and writes it to /tmp? it'll either work or fail, either of which will tell you a lot |
| 11:45 | <lbegin> | ehem o.k. I will ask my php guy to try that and see what it does |
| 11:46 | <lbegin> | unfortunately i haven's talked to him today |
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| 11:47 | <HoopyCat> | i read this last night, and have been ruminating upon it: http://packetlife.net/blog/2010/mar/10/the-science-of-network-troubleshooting/ |
| 11:49 | <fahadsadah> | When are linode planning to start offering native IPv6? |
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| 11:51 | <HoopyCat> | fahadsadah: probably once native ipv6 is available in all of their locations, with the same reliability and SLA as they get for native ipv4 |
| 11:52 | <fahadsadah> | =/ |
| 11:52 | <fahadsadah> | IPv6 is reliable |
| 11:52 | <fahadsadah> | NAC offer IPv6 |
| 11:52 | <fahadsadah> | HE do |
| 11:52 | <fahadsadah> | (so Newark and Fremont) |
| 11:52 | <fahadsadah> | They could stagger rollout |
| 11:52 | <fahadsadah> | Those DCs first |
| 11:52 | <fahadsadah> | And when the others also have reliable 6, then enable there. |
| 11:53 | <randallman> | am I crazy? I prefer a world where IP addresses are scarce and I dont have to remember 128 bit addresses :) |
| 11:53 | <HoopyCat> | there's also significant software changes to critical code that'd have to be tested and rolled out |
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| 11:54 | <HoopyCat> | randallman: there's a thing called DNS that's pretty awesome; look into it when you get a chance :-) |
| 11:55 | <randallman> | Ya reckon? :P |
| 11:55 | <randallman> | Ill check it out one of these days :) |
| 11:55 | <randallman> | I'll still wind up typing IPv6 addrs lots |
| 11:55 | <randallman> | in the load balancers, at network devices, etc... |
| 11:55 | <randallman> | it'll be lots easier to maltype a v6 addr, IMHO :) |
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| 11:59 | <lbegin> | Interesting read HoopyCat |
| 12:02 | <lbegin> | how do you set permissions by what tool on the linode? |
| 12:02 | <HoopyCat> | randallman: more opportunity for auto configuration :-) |
| 12:02 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: what sort of permissions? |
| 12:03 | <lbegin> | my admin just popped up was troubleshooting network for somebody |
| 12:03 | <lbegin> | is there something that will list all user/permissions so we can see what is set for which user |
| 12:03 | <lbegin> | that's him asking me |
| 12:03 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: for the linode dashboard, or on the linux system itself? |
| 12:03 | <lbegin> | I'm passing it along. I'm sorry, but it's really my last resort to bug you flks |
| 12:04 | <randallman> | hc, not sure I'd want my load balancer VIPs autoconfiguring :) |
| 12:04 | <lbegin> | the linux system itself ubunto 8.04 |
| 12:04 | <randallman> | But that's me ;p |
| 12:05 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: well, each file on the filesystem is owned by a user and a group, with read/write/execute permissions for each; everything derives from there. going from files to users is easy, but going from users to files is hard |
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| 12:07 | <lbegin> | he's asking I believe because there is some confusion stemming from the fact that PHP creates files with user $data $data whereas nginx runs as something else I believe and then we got multiple users all with different rights and the website runs under danastock danastock, so it would be good to see |
| 12:08 | <lbegin> | something telling us the status quo exactly right now |
| 12:08 | <HoopyCat> | ls -lR will display ls -l recursively from a point in the tree. that'll probably get somewhere. |
| 12:09 | <lbegin> | nginx danastock danastock, website danastock danastock, php $data $data |
| 12:09 | <HoopyCat> | speaking of $data, gotta get some lab data movin'; afk |
| 12:09 | <lbegin> | a pound of it? gg |
| 12:09 | <SelfishMan> | wait, what is the issue? trying to find the files owned by a user? |
| 12:10 | <jkwood> | randallman: Remember, though, IPV6 supports folding, where IPV4 doesn't. |
| 12:10 | <lbegin> | yeah I think that would work if there was a way to do that. I guess you can look through the SFTP and write it all down, but there has to be an easier way right? |
| 12:10 | <SelfishMan> | find / -user urmom -print |
| 12:11 | <lbegin> | Hello Riggs Folley |
| 12:11 | <lbegin> | ? |
| 12:11 | <randallman> | jk, again - true |
| 12:11 | <randallman> | Ya know |
| 12:11 | <SelfishMan> | mwalling uses that all the time to delete all the files in his home directory |
| 12:11 | <randallman> | Im just like the 2 humans in who moved my cheese :) |
| 12:11 | <Clorith> | When writing a rewriterule, does the original path have to exist? because that's kinda what these errors seem to be telling me (a [NC] rewrite) |
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| 12:11 | <randallman> | I dont like change... not change this big |
| 12:11 | <randallman> | I should just set it up on my linode so I can get over it |
| 12:12 | <lbegin> | Hi there RiggsFolly |
| 12:13 | <jkwood> | randallman: For example, my node's address is 2001:470:1f0e:d2::2. That's not too bad to remember. |
| 12:13 | <Clorith> | nice address, I have 1f0f =) |
| 12:13 | * | SelfishMan hax0rs |
| 12:13 | <randallman> | yeah, its not as bad as the full 128 of course |
| 12:14 | <Clorith> | the beauty of the double colon 3 |
| 12:14 | <randallman> | Im also not so happy about the lack of explicitness of the full octets |
| 12:14 | <randallman> | e.g. 2001:0470 would look better to me :) |
| 12:14 | <randallman> | than 2001:470 |
| 12:14 | <Clorith> | by all means, use the full one |
| 12:14 | <jkwood> | You're free to use whatever you like, as far as that goes. |
| 12:14 | <guinea-pig> | it's just padding |
| 12:14 | <randallman> | Im sure most tools will truncate? |
| 12:14 | <SelfishMan> | randallman: do you also use 127.000.000.001? |
| 12:14 | <randallman> | No, I do not :) |
| 12:14 | <randallman> | But when I see hex my mind goes different |
| 12:15 | <guinea-pig> | i use 127..1 |
| 12:15 | <jkwood> | If you want to call it 2001:0470:1f0e:0d2:0000:000:00:0::2, you can do that too. |
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| 12:15 | <randallman> | I just need to get used to it |
| 12:15 | <SelfishMan> | jkwood: um...no |
| 12:15 | <randallman> | Im sure I'll like it in the default, easiest to type way eventually :) |
| 12:15 | <lbegin> | Randallman that's different for me when I see my ex my mind goes different |
| 12:15 | <lbegin> | *immediately appologizes for bad wordlay* |
| 12:16 | <lbegin> | wordplay |
| 12:17 | <jkwood> | SelfishMan: I don't remember just how many octets I'm supposed to be using. |
| 12:17 | <lbegin> | which ones of you are using nginx sometimes? |
| 12:17 | <randallman> | I just realized how silly it would be to be fully expressive |
| 12:17 | <SelfishMan> | jkwood: you implied at least 2 extra |
| 12:17 | <@Perihelion> | if you wanna not use ipv6 thats cool too |
| 12:17 | <jkwood> | Yuss. |
| 12:17 | <SelfishMan> | Perihelion: THINK OF THE CHILDREN |
| 12:18 | <SelfishMan> | How will they surf the interwebs without IPv6 in two years!!!!!!1111 |
| 12:18 | <Clorith> | the intertubes will be clogged! |
| 12:18 | <@Perihelion> | The children only need ipv6 so that i can send them signals that allow them to beat themselves |
| 12:18 | <Clorith> | hmm, maybe mod_rewrite is disabled...that could be why... *takes a look* |
| 12:18 | <randallman> | heh |
| 12:19 | <lbegin> | Perihelion may I ask you soemthing. Have you seen people have trouble with large file uploads through http, flash or java for linodes on Ubunto 8.04 or do you have any idea what the issue could be for me? |
| 12:19 | <randallman> | I still wonder if the change will be sudden and drastic or slow and gradual... |
| 12:19 | <randallman> | Between surfing via v4 and v6 |
| 12:19 | <Clorith> | randallman: incredibly slow |
| 12:19 | <randallman> | it is inevitable... even inexorible... |
| 12:19 | <@Perihelion> | lbegin: Permissions, file size, or gremlins |
| 12:19 | <Clorith> | until the day ipv4 is used up and the isp's suddenly go "why didn't we think of this before?" and then there's a rush to push it immediately |
| 12:19 | <Clorith> | and the interwebs explode. |
| 12:20 | <lbegin> | hmm what kind of gremlins do you suspect? gg |
| 12:20 | <@Perihelion> | The Clorith kind. |
| 12:20 | <jkwood> | Uploading large files through flash is a known problem. |
| 12:20 | <lbegin> | i see |
| 12:20 | <lbegin> | aha how so jkwood? |
| 12:20 | <jkwood> | It can be done, and I have done it, but it was a mess. |
| 12:20 | <@Perihelion> | Uploading large files in general is a problem...how large are you talking and is there really no other way to do it? |
| 12:21 | <lbegin> | and using java works around those probs or not so much? |
| 12:21 | <amitz> | controling the power output is a bit dangerous for one. |
| 12:21 | <lbegin> | I can do FTP for me and immediate friends but not when I let photogrpahers sign up. they will use java mst likely. |
| 12:21 | <lbegin> | Large for me = arund 5MB, tops 12 |
| 12:22 | <Clorith> | httpd settings or client settings |
| 12:22 | <@Perihelion> | I generally use PHP for mine, tbh. I have no idea. |
| 12:22 | <Clorith> | it coudl time out on both ends, as browsers also have a timeut period until they give up even if under an upload |
| 12:22 | <lbegin> | we tried messing with the php.ini which test.php tells me is also being read, but for some reason it's writing no error log, nginx error log is 0kB and I have no idea which path to travel here to arrive at a solution |
| 12:23 | <lbegin> | would be success to just get php to write an error log which it doesn't want to do |
| 12:23 | <Clorith> | php doens't write error logs, the httpd does... |
| 12:24 | <Clorith> | you could tail the syslog though, that gets it all |
| 12:24 | <lbegin> | o.k. |
| 12:24 | <lbegin> | where is that at? |
| 12:24 | * | Perihelion tails Clorith |
| 12:24 | * | jess^ tails Perihelion |
| 12:24 | * | amitz tails Clorith |
| 12:24 | <jess^> | CONGA LINE |
| 12:24 | <Clorith> | in /var/log/ |
| 12:24 | <Clorith> | it's called "syslog" |
| 12:24 | <Clorith> | can't go wrong ;) |
| 12:24 | <lbegin> | o.k. |
| 12:24 | * | amitz tails jess^ |
| 12:25 | <tjfontaine> | -F |
| 12:25 | <Clorith> | how come i have two people clinging to my behind = |
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| 12:25 | <Clorith> | I mean, I know it's nice and firm and all..but please, restrain yoru selves! |
| 12:25 | <amitz> | Clorith: revenge by clinging to mine. |
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| 12:26 | <lbegin> | I had no idea this was the brokeback mountain irc, must have logged into the wrong one |
| 12:27 | <Clorith> | wanna know what's worse ? |
| 12:27 | <Clorith> | This is us being on our best behavior |
| 12:27 | <Clorith> | you do NOT want ot see us when we really get carried away |
| 12:27 | <lbegin> | Haha |
| 12:27 | <TofuMatt> | heh |
| 12:27 | <jess^> | Perihelion: i wish i knew how to quit you (^D and ^C don't work) |
| 12:27 | <jkwood> | !behave |
| 12:27 | <linbot> | Don't make me get the hose! |
| 12:27 | <Clorith> | oh god...smooth one! |
| 12:28 | <@Perihelion> | Who would wanna quit me |
| 12:28 | <@Perihelion> | I am awesome tailing |
| 12:29 | <Clorith> | mmmm, I want me sum of dat amanda tail :3 |
| 12:29 | <@Perihelion> | k brb puking |
| 12:30 | <jkwood> | US | Clorith |
| 12:30 | <Clorith> | =( |
| 12:30 | <Clorith> | I feel alienated |
| 12:31 | <Clorith> | RewriteRule kultur\/sider\/foredragsholdere\/(.+?)\.html ../kultur/foredrag.php?hvem=$1 [NC] |
| 12:31 | <Clorith> | so I'm playing with that...and I'm obviosuly failing miserably |
| 12:31 | <randallman> | Nice the Hurricane tunnel allows BGP peering as well |
| 12:31 | <randallman> | wow, wonder how large the v6 BGP tables will become |
| 12:32 | <randallman> | say, in 8 years :) |
| 12:32 | <lbegin> | Could this be it? Mar 14 06:30:44 danastock kernel: Firewall: *UDP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f$ |
| 12:32 | <jkwood> | Almost as large as urmom. |
| 12:32 | <randallman> | so, around 160#'s |
| 12:32 | <randallman> | how many #'s per MB? :P |
| 12:32 | <grawity> | randallman: I doubt they will become very big. Unless every router keeps a 100% complete table... |
| 12:33 | <Peng> | randallman: It's v6. In 8 years, there'll probably be 4 more routes. :P |
| 12:33 | <randallman> | Nice :) |
| 12:34 | <Yaakov> | OK, so I need to write "Yaakov Analytics" in order to migrate to Google's servers for Blogger. |
| 12:35 | <lbegin> | Could the linode firewall be blocking the connection for some reason? Maybe I need to whitelist my own IP when uploading or something like that? |
| 12:35 | <Yaakov> | *sigh* I haven't been doing any JavaScript so it is goping to be a pain. |
| 12:36 | <randallman> | That one for omniture... I saw a while back - was totally obfuscated javascript |
| 12:36 | <Yaakov> | lbegin: There is no such thing. |
| 12:36 | <lbegin> | O.k. hmm |
| 12:36 | <@Perihelion> | There's no "linode firewall" unless you installed one |
| 12:36 | <Yaakov> | I don't need to obfuscate. I simply don't find losing my logs an acceptable thing. |
| 12:36 | <lbegin> | Anyway to print out the syslog to a file, so I can pass it on to someone that may know what to look for? |
| 12:37 | * | Perihelion logs Yaakov |
| 12:37 | <lbegin> | yeah i installed one, well not me |
| 12:37 | <randallman> | Yaakov, we had issues with G/A 2 weeks ago, totally broke our web frontends for folks that also had routing issues to g/a |
| 12:37 | <Yaakov> | So I need to send the information from the Blogger template. |
| 12:37 | <randallman> | I think there was some issue with Level3 peering w/ the google pop we were being handed to |
| 12:38 | <randallman> | so about 30% of the time, pages would be jacked up due to not reaching google |
| 12:38 | <Yaakov> | I don't really intend to do what Google is doing. I just want to post the key items (remote host, referrer, URL, etc.) to my servers. |
| 12:38 | <randallman> | Im no web dev, but it seems like a mistake to depend on something that is totally out of control for your business's webpages to function correctly :) |
| 12:38 | <@Perihelion> | 14.What is the directory where the .system. file can be found? |
| 12:38 | <Clorith> | google makes our lives easier, in many situations. Although there are those occasions where they create nightmares |
| 12:38 | <Yaakov> | Google Analytics is web crack. |
| 12:38 | <@Perihelion> | I'll take open ended questions for 500, Alex. |
| 12:39 | <@Perihelion> | So, can someone tell me where the system file can be found? |
| 12:39 | <Clorith> | Of course, in the system directory |
| 12:39 | <Clorith> | "in the .system. directory" |
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| 12:40 | <Yaakov> | Perihelion: What is the context of the question? |
| 12:40 | <Clorith> | "my personal nightmare" Is a nice label for it |
| 12:41 | <jkwood> | Perihelion: find / -name system |
| 12:41 | <Talman> | I have about as much problems iwth google apps as I do with linode. |
| 12:41 | <Yaakov> | So let's see, I want URL, remote host, user agent, referrer... what else? |
| 12:42 | <Talman> | Every once in a while, it blows up in my face and can't be reached. Then its fixed. |
| 12:42 | <Yaakov> | Hmm... I guess I could grab screen size for fun. |
| 12:42 | <Clorith> | Yaakov: time |
| 12:42 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: That will be done by the logger on my system. |
| 12:42 | <jkwood> | Yaakov: Number of files on their filesystem? |
| 12:42 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: I mean what do I collect from the user's web browser. |
| 12:43 | <Clorith> | ahh |
| 12:43 | <Clorith> | epends what you intend to use the data for |
| 12:43 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: You aren't really being very helpful but I love you anyway. |
| 12:43 | <@Perihelion> | Yaakov: That was it. It wants the system file |
| 12:43 | <@Perihelion> | Oh this one is better |
| 12:43 | <@Perihelion> | sec |
| 12:43 | <Yaakov> | Perihelion: WHAT IS THE EXAM ABOUT?! |
| 12:43 | <@Perihelion> | 13.What are is the header for a text files with the extension of .txt |
| 12:44 | <@Perihelion> | I straight up looked at that and said "wat." out loud |
| 12:44 | <Clorith> | "WAHT ARE IS!" |
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| 12:44 | <@Perihelion> | ye |
| 12:44 | <Clorith> | taht one's a trick question, because the header varies depending on what editor you've saved it in |
| 12:44 | <Yaakov> | Perihelion: Which course is this for? |
| 12:44 | <@Perihelion> | It's basically a course on using EnCase |
| 12:45 | <@Perihelion> | However this has to do with data carving pretty much |
| 12:45 | <Yaakov> | Perihelion: Well that's PRETTY RELEVANT don't you think? |
| 12:45 | <@Perihelion> | It makes me sad in the pants |
| 12:45 | <Talman> | EnCase? I'm sorry. |
| 12:45 | <@Perihelion> | YEAH MANG |
| 12:45 | <Talman> | Do they bleieve the system directory is %WINSYS% |
| 12:46 | <@Perihelion> | I found on in WINNT\system32\config |
| 12:46 | <@Perihelion> | So I went with that |
| 12:46 | <Talman> | >.> Also, why is Perihelion taking a test on data forensics software? |
| 12:46 | <@Perihelion> | Because I'm working on a masters in computer forensics? :o |
| 12:46 | <Clorith> | ^ |
| 12:46 | <jkwood> | Perihelion: I hope you're not PAYING for that course. |
| 12:46 | <@Perihelion> | I am :( |
| 12:46 | <Talman> | <.< Stay away from our linodes. :) |
| 12:46 | <Talman> | With your encases. |
| 12:46 | <Clorith> | Talman: it's ok, she already has access to one of mine :P |
| 12:46 | <@Perihelion> | I do? |
| 12:46 | <Clorith> | yea |
| 12:47 | <Clorith> | the bnc one, remembar ? |
| 12:47 | <Talman> | Sounds like Perihelion has an account she doesn't know about. |
| 12:47 | <@Perihelion> | Ah right |
| 12:47 | <@Perihelion> | Not that I remember the password or anything |
| 12:47 | <Clorith> | haha, me neither xD |
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| 12:47 | <@Perihelion> | Never meddle in the affairs of customers...for thou art crunchy and go well with ketchup. |
| 12:48 | * | Clorith rages at mod_rewrite! |
| 12:48 | <jkwood> | Perihelion: Familiar with http://www.linuxleo.com/ ? |
| 12:48 | <lbegin> | I just got asked I wonder if the syslog is cached and only flushes to disk when cache is full? |
| 12:48 | <Clorith> | memo to self; check for strange places they want capitalized characters |
| 12:48 | <lbegin> | anybody know an answer to that question? |
| 12:49 | <Peng> | lbegin: No. |
| 12:49 | <@Perihelion> | jkwood: do they use TSK? |
| 12:49 | <Daevien> | hmm, nice. soon as i connected a drive to this laptop, eset (nod32) fired up and deleted a virus. the hardware detection notification was still showing even heh |
| 12:49 | <Clorith> | there's a whole section dedicated to slackware !?! |
| 12:49 | <Peng> | lbegin: That is, it flushes pretty darn quickly, at least in my configuration. |
| 12:49 | * | Peng wonders if he should read backlog |
| 12:49 | <@Perihelion> | k brb |
| 12:49 | <jkwood> | Barry uses all sorts of things. He used to work for NASA, I know, and various other governmental agencies. |
| 12:50 | <lbegin> | Why is my system time 12:46 anyway? I think it is 16:46 in England where my linode is? |
| 12:50 | <Clorith> | lbegin: you changed timezone ? |
| 12:50 | <Clorith> | and it's 16.50 GMT at the moment ;) |
| 12:50 | <jkwood> | I'd imagine it's using Newark time. |
| 12:50 | <Yaakov> | My problem is much more interesting. Developing Yaakov Analytics. |
| 12:50 | <@Perihelion> | My problem is Yaakov. |
| 12:51 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:51 | <lbegin> | lol |
| 12:51 | <Yaakov> | I can't stand moving to Blogger hosting until it works. |
| 12:51 | <lbegin> | move to wordpress |
| 12:51 | <Yaakov> | No. |
| 12:51 | <Talman> | Wonder who Barry worked for as special agent. OIG? |
| 12:51 | <lbegin> | o.k. why not? |
| 12:51 | <@Perihelion> | Man I must be in a mood today...my files are named "fuckyou" and "shit" |
| 12:51 | <jkwood> | Yaakov: You should write it in Ruby. |
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| 12:51 | <Clorith> | gaaaaaaaah, it still isn't rewriting the URL in secrecy :( |
| 12:51 | <Yaakov> | Because it is ugly and bloated and I already have a template I like. |
| 12:52 | <@Perihelion> | nou |
| 12:52 | <Talman> | Perihelion, are you going to have to put those file names in your report? :) |
| 12:52 | <Yaakov> | jkwood: How do I get people's browsers to run Ruby? |
| 12:52 | <@Perihelion> | Yeah but im okay with that |
| 12:52 | <jkwood> | Very carefully. |
| 12:52 | * | Daevien makes mental note to not ask Perihelion for help on anythign today |
| 12:52 | <Talman> | Heh. |
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| 12:53 | <Talman> | Perihelion, my linode keeps rebooting every 30 seconds while flashing fuckyou and shit in the LISH... Can you fix it? |
| 12:53 | <Talman> | :) |
| 12:53 | <@Perihelion> | Yes, please run /etc/init.d/stfu |
| 12:53 | <Talman> | job not found. |
| 12:53 | <@Perihelion> | How unfortunate for #linode |
| 12:53 | <@Perihelion> | k, off to fail the next bot of this |
| 12:54 | <Talman> | Isn't it, though? |
| 12:54 | <@Perihelion> | back soonish maybe |
| 12:54 | <@Perihelion> | maybe ill die in an unfortunate carving accident |
| 12:54 | <Yaakov> | I have two paths available after great consideration: 1) Cease blogging; 2) Write this little ECMAScript code to keep my logging up. I am trying 2, but 1 is still looming large. |
| 12:54 | <@Perihelion> | "She was crushed by a cluster" |
| 12:54 | <Talman> | Yaakov, what's your problem with blogging, anyway? That you're using blogger. |
| 12:55 | <Yaakov> | Talman: Blogger is EOL'ing off-Blogger publishing. |
| 12:55 | <Clorith> | Yaakov: why not move on to another logging provider ? |
| 12:55 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: ??? |
| 12:56 | <Talman> | There are others. |
| 12:56 | <Talman> | And they're shutting the BLogger API down? |
| 12:56 | <Talman> | You could blog on wordpress, typepad, a local install of: Wordpress, Joomla, etc. |
| 12:56 | <Clorith> | Yaakov: from what I understand, you wish to move your blog, but you want the loggign they provide, why not use another logging provider and do the move ? |
| 12:56 | <Yaakov> | No, I can't. I use static pages and I am not going to run a CMS on my 360. |
| 12:56 | <Clorith> | I may be misunderstanding something, by all means |
| 12:57 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: They don't provide logging. |
| 12:57 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: I do not wish to move my blog, I am forced to. |
| 12:57 | <Clorith> | ahh, that's a bitch =/ |
| 12:57 | <Talman> | Why not install Google Analytics in your template? |
| 12:58 | <Clorith> | well, if it's logging your looking for, I can actually recommend woopra |
| 13:04 | <lbegin> | can I flush my syslog manually? |
| 13:04 | <HoopyCat> | if it's yellow, let it mellow; if it's brown, flush it down |
| 13:05 | <tjfontaine> | if it's red call the doctor |
| 13:05 | <lbegin> | and that thing is not telling my associated ip addresses either, so I'm unsure how the log helps me here. I have no idea who is causing what to happen in the log. That's useless for my troubleshooting needs or am I toodense to understad how to use this? |
| 13:05 | <jkwood> | if it's green, call your friends |
| 13:05 | <HoopyCat> | if it's blue, it may clean and deodorize for up to four months |
| 13:06 | <lbegin> | I don't have any friends. I shot them all on my last rampage |
| 13:06 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 13:06 | <Clorith> | what about a bright orange? |
| 13:06 | <lbegin> | counts as brown |
| 13:07 | <jkwood> | Clorith: You're a goner. Say your prayers. |
| 13:07 | <Clorith> | Yes, ma'am. |
| 13:08 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: what're you trying to find out from the syslog, and what's it telling you? |
| 13:08 | <lbegin> | Mar 14 12:57:45 danastock kernel: Firewall: *UDP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f$ |
| 13:09 | <lbegin> | Trying to find out how to get my fucking java upload to work with files above 1.5 MB, but have no idea how to get an error log from ayntiing in hte system except this syslog you guys pointed me to |
| 13:09 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: ... what're you trying to read that log with? |
| 13:09 | <lbegin> | errr nano? |
| 13:09 | <lbegin> | i'm el stupido though sooo |
| 13:09 | <Clorith> | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 13:09 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: try using "less" |
| 13:10 | <Clorith> | or tail as you try to upload |
| 13:10 | <HoopyCat> | tail -f is awesome too |
| 13:10 | <Talman> | Um... |
| 13:10 | <lbegin> | tail as I'm trying to upload sounds insanelyy clever will try that |
| 13:10 | <Talman> | Would that even show in syslog? |
| 13:11 | <HoopyCat> | a cat is fine too |
| 13:11 | <Clorith> | whiskers if your desperate |
| 13:11 | <Talman> | It sounds like the java equivelant to having php_max_upload set in php.ini to 2M |
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| 13:11 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: probably not, but given that the pasted log bit there is indicating an overly-whiny firewall, who knows? maybe there's a rate limit ;-) |
| 13:11 | <lbegin> | O.k. what's the equivalent so I can change the fucker haha |
| 13:12 | <lbegin> | ehem or maybe not |
| 13:12 | <Talman> | Oooh, good point. Maybe it uses udp and then the rate limiter kicks in and squashes the upload. |
| 13:12 | <lbegin> | ya ya ya |
| 13:12 | <lbegin> | that'll be it, now tell me hw to solve it haha |
| 13:13 | <Talman> | Get a better firewall? |
| 13:13 | <Yaakov> | *sigh* |
| 13:13 | <Yaakov> | I am having a bad day. |
| 13:13 | <HoopyCat> | lbegin: too early to tell how to fix the problem; still gotta figure out what the problem is :-) |
| 13:14 | <Peng> | Wait. A file upload over UDP? :X |
| 13:14 | <HoopyCat> | for all you know, there's a cat sleeping on a half-broken network cable, and about 1.5MB in, the cable gets too hot so it rolls over, throwing the matching off far enough that large packets can't get through |
| 13:15 | <lbegin> | shall look for a cat hold on |
| 13:15 | <Talman> | For all you know, it really IS using UDP to transfer files. |
| 13:15 | <HoopyCat> | speaking of which, moar lab data-wrangling |
| 13:16 | <Talman> | Less. I'm actually hacking the crap out of a bunch of modules. |
| 13:17 | <lbegin> | no cat on my network cable, but maybe it's between the router and....gotta find some shoes now |
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| 13:17 | <Talman> | Um, are you seriously looking for a cat? |
| 13:17 | <lbegin> | not really no |
| 13:17 | <lbegin> | ;-) |
| 13:17 | <Talman> | Good. |
| 13:18 | <lbegin> | were you worried? |
| 13:18 | <Talman> | What's your firewall. |
| 13:18 | <Talman> | No, I was going to try to get you to give us all money. |
| 13:18 | <lbegin> | basic ip.tables i believe |
| 13:18 | <Talman> | Who set it up? You, a program, or you typing some howto? |
| 13:18 | <lbegin> | someone is banging on the hard hard every minute right now |
| 13:18 | <lbegin> | a seasoned admin |
| 13:19 | <Talman> | Ok, what's this Java uploader? Where'd you get it, etc? |
| 13:19 | <lbegin> | Got it from ktools it's experimental, but will appear in version 4 of thier software ktools photostore |
| 13:19 | <lbegin> | and works for a few dozen folks already |
| 13:20 | <Talman> | Ok, you paid for this? :) |
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| 13:20 | <lbegin> | Paid for what the java upload or the software? |
| 13:20 | <lbegin> | I paid for the software yes |
| 13:20 | <Talman> | The java uploader. |
| 13:20 | <lbegin> | no |
| 13:20 | <Talman> | Ok. So, can you give a link to the java uploader's page on ktools.net so I can see what they have to say? |
| 13:21 | <lbegin> | they gave me it to try if it works better, because flash upload wouldn't work for them either from my manager on my site |
| 13:21 | <Talman> | Ok... Has your program thrown any php errors? |
| 13:21 | <lbegin> | I can give you a link to my manager ad tell you the login in private. It's experimental theyonly talk about it in one thread and that holds very little usuable info anyway |
| 13:22 | <amitz> | a seasoned admin is delicious. |
| 13:23 | <lbegin> | PHP is not throwing any errors, because we cannot get an error log from it |
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| 13:24 | <Talman> | Actually... |
| 13:24 | <Talman> | Ok, who installed this? |
| 13:24 | <lbegin> | Installed what the sofware? |
| 13:24 | <Talman> | Cause, yeah, this is someone's CMS. |
| 13:24 | <lbegin> | ktools did |
| 13:24 | <Talman> | Yeah. |
| 13:24 | <Talman> | What's your distro? |
| 13:24 | <lbegin> | Pardon me? |
| 13:24 | <lbegin> | oh 8.04 |
| 13:25 | <Talman> | What distribution of linux is your linode running. |
| 13:25 | <lbegin> | Ubunto |
| 13:25 | <Talman> | tail /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 13:25 | <Talman> | That return anything? |
| 13:25 | <lbegin> | nope not running appache |
| 13:26 | <lbegin> | running nginx |
| 13:26 | <Talman> | o rly. |
| 13:26 | <lbegin> | yes |
| 13:26 | <Talman> | Now let me remember where nginx is... |
| 13:26 | <lbegin> | and the nginx error log has 0kB |
| 13:26 | <Talman> | Ok. |
| 13:26 | <Talman> | edit /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini |
| 13:26 | <Talman> | Look for max file upload. |
| 13:26 | <Talman> | Probably just search for upload. |
| 13:27 | <Talman> | Also, edit is not a command, use nano. |
| 13:27 | <Yaakov> | Apparently, StumbleUpon users aren't very bright as a class. Or, I should say, are basically like most people on the net. |
| 13:28 | <Talman> | Hmm, Yaakov? |
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| 13:29 | <Yaakov> | Talman: http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/kovaya.com/miscellany/2009/07/why-stumbleupon-visitors-are-not.html%2523links |
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| 13:29 | <lbegin> | php ini is fine Talman we been over that 5 times between me and the other person trying to figure this out |
| 13:29 | <lbegin> | and someone inere told me how to make a php test and upload it |
| 13:29 | <Talman> | And what's it set to? |
| 13:30 | <lbegin> | it in fact reads that php ini |
| 13:30 | <lbegin> | 256MB |
| 13:30 | <lbegin> | max execution time 200 |
| 13:30 | <Talman> | Interesting. |
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| 13:30 | <lbegin> | max fielesize 20MB |
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| 13:30 | <Talman> | Also, did ktools set your firewall up? |
| 13:31 | <lbegin> | no they didn't |
| 13:31 | <lbegin> | thank youfor trying to get to the bottom of this by the way |
| 13:31 | <Clorith> | God...grandpa is on facebook and forgot his password |
| 13:31 | <Clorith> | and he clicked the forgotten password button...and now he's confused |
| 13:31 | <Talman> | You're welcome. |
| 13:32 | <lbegin> | If you can solve this I'll even paypal you 20 bucks. |
| 13:32 | <Clorith> | and I've never forgotten my password so I dunno how to help him, and he's calling me on my cell non stop |
| 13:32 | <lbegin> | maybe answer it and tell him that? |
| 13:32 | <Talman> | Yaakov, basically... this guy doesn't like that its stumbleupon roulette? |
| 13:32 | <Talman> | Tell him to read the prompts. |
| 13:33 | <Yaakov> | Talman: I am "this guy", and you have to actually read the essay and spend time understanding what I am saying, then look at the "reviews". |
| 13:33 | <Clorith> | yeah...old man read english prompts...good luck with that |
| 13:33 | <Yaakov> | I don't use StumbleUpan, and never will. |
| 13:33 | <Talman> | Who the hell reads stumbleupon reviews? :) |
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| 13:33 | <Clorith> | there are reviews ? |
| 13:33 | <Talman> | Yeah, there are. |
| 13:33 | <Talman> | If you click thumbs up, then yeah. |
| 13:34 | <Yaakov> | Talman: They were brought to my attention by someone who actually took the time to write a comment on my essay. I have been exchanging email with her. |
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| 13:34 | <Yaakov> | So far, she doesn't get it, and clearly the "reviewers" don't get it AT ALL. |
| 13:34 | <Talman> | What are your reviews? Just normal drivel? |
| 13:34 | <Talman> | see: YouTube. |
| 13:34 | <Clorith> | haha, it's funny reading it through stumbleupon :P |
| 13:36 | <Talman> | However, Yaakov, I have to ask: Why is your site public? Site administrators have no control over who links to their site. |
| 13:36 | <Yaakov> | Her thesis is that I am part of the great Internet "collective" and I should be happy about it. She can't get that I don't have to accept that at all. I even deny its existence. |
| 13:36 | <Talman> | Unless you feel like writing a bunch of rewrite. |
| 13:37 | <Clorith> | you could just block stumbleupon |
| 13:37 | <Clorith> | I see a lot of sites do it |
| 13:37 | <Yaakov> | Talman: The essay EXPLAINS that. You could read it. But you see, that's the idea, people DON'T bother reading. |
| 13:37 | <Talman> | But by being ON the internet, unless you take active countermeasures, you're going to be subject to anyone at will linking. |
| 13:37 | <Talman> | Actually? I did read it. |
| 13:37 | <Yaakov> | I *could*, I thought to do that, but, there are some ways, such as this favorite, that match my ideas of how to get there. |
| 13:38 | <Clorith> | Point well made |
| 13:38 | <Yaakov> | Talman: Then you have your answer. Your question is covered. |
| 13:38 | <Talman> | I think I'm asking why you believe that your website is an island, yet take no steps to protect it. |
| 13:38 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: I even could have programmatically shunted only the random jump to the home page, even to just that posting. I decided the essay was sufficient. |
| 13:39 | <lbegin> | You can always get AlGore's phone number and get him to shut the whole interet off again |
| 13:39 | <Yaakov> | Talman: I never suggested what you imputed to me. |
| 13:39 | <Yaakov> | Talman: That's not the content of the essay. |
| 13:39 | <RiggsFolly> | Help please, I am running nginx. I want to know how to find out what is going wrong in a PHP script but it is not writing to the error_log. |
| 13:39 | <Clorith> | The beauty of stumbleupon is that you pick tags that interest you, so you get relevant sites |
| 13:39 | <Talman> | What I read is things like, "You are not welcome here because you didn't intend to come here." |
| 13:39 | <Clorith> | picking a random site off the internet doens't sound appealing to me at all |
| 13:40 | <Clorith> | so you made the inernetians rage at you |
| 13:40 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: That's not always true, it appears. The reason I noticed this at all is I was seeing partial loads of my landing page. |
| 13:40 | <Talman> | Yeah, people clicking, seeing boredom, clicking again. |
| 13:40 | <Talman> | That's exactly what happens with stumbleupon a lot. It gets boring. |
| 13:41 | <Talman> | Boring, Borgin, Boring, CATS, Boring, Boring, CATS. |
| 13:41 | <Clorith> | I have an open mind, if I stumble a site it has somethign relevant to the interests I chose, so I let it load, and I read it |
| 13:41 | <Clorith> | some times, it's boring, yes, but you might learn something randomly which makes it worth the boredom |
| 13:41 | <Yaakov> | I didn't ask StumbleUpon to put me on their list. I don't do anything to drive traffic to my blog. I don't advertise in any way. |
| 13:41 | <Clorith> | and none of your readers put you on it either ? |
| 13:41 | <Yaakov> | If someone takes a semantic path and ends up there, that's great. |
| 13:42 | <Talman> | Yes, but the inherent openness of the internet invalidiates the idea that you need to. |
| 13:42 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: The ONLY favorite I have ever seen is that post. |
| 13:42 | <Talman> | Of course. |
| 13:43 | <Clorith> | odd |
| 13:43 | <Talman> | Its ironic. |
| 13:43 | <Clorith> | although the post did amuse me |
| 13:43 | <Yaakov> | Talman: Why? I have a right to complain. I *could* even do something about it technologically. Sorry, I don't like it, and I don't agree that having your door open means you have to like strangers who wander in. |
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| 13:43 | <Talman> | Its a website, not a house. |
| 13:43 | <Talman> | Also, of course a post like that was favorited. Someone is daring to fuck with the collective. |
| 13:43 | <linbot> | New news from forums: EC2 versus VPS? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5304>; |
| 13:43 | <Yaakov> | Talman: It is an analogy, not a literal description. And it is apt, in my opinion. |
| 13:44 | <Talman> | Its the same as saing, "FUCK YOU /B? |
| 13:44 | <Talman> | saying, and FUCK YOU /B/. :) |
| 13:44 | <Talman> | Then it comes down to force, Yaakov, just like in real life. |
| 13:44 | <Talman> | They have the ability to walk into your house without invitation, and without use of force, they will continue to be able to do so. |
| 13:45 | <Yaakov> | The telling thing, to me, is that the original reviewer imagined that I wrote it to get ATTENTION from StumbleUpon users. I have to admit I never expected such solipsism. |
| 13:45 | <Talman> | Because the average group mentality will not respect anything but force. |
| 13:45 | <Yaakov> | Talman: As I said, I can tell them that I don't like them. I am actually allowed to do that. |
| 13:46 | <Talman> | Of course, because that group mentality believes that you're trying to fuck with the "stumblers" on purpose. Nothing else would enter their mind. |
| 13:46 | <Nivex> | Yaakov: but I thought you loved everyone with a great huge love? |
| 13:46 | <Talman> | Yes, but without backing up that statement with force, you will be ignored. |
| 13:46 | <Yaakov> | I do, but that doesn't mean I have to like them. |
| 13:46 | * | Nivex chuckles |
| 13:47 | <Yaakov> | Talman: If I really wanted to STOP them, it would be trivial. If I thought the way they do, they would find themselves viewing something rather awful. I don't. |
| 13:47 | <Talman> | So, you're just protesting without expecting change? |
| 13:49 | <Yaakov> | I am targetting individuals. Of those, MAYBE someone will think. That's it. |
| 13:49 | <Talman> | Unfortunately, the most common thought is indignation. |
| 13:50 | <@Perihelion> | mmm random power outages |
| 13:50 | <Yaakov> | I am not worried about the hump of the normal distribution curve, I am looking for the two or three sigmas out cases. |
| 13:51 | <Talman> | And yes, I am one of those people who believe that you should be nice to everyone. If you require something of a group, either have the force available to ensure compliance, or don't expect much. |
| 13:51 | <Talman> | Because group mentalities usually don't listen to reason unless a group leader approves of that reasoning. |
| 13:51 | <Talman> | Then again, are there group leaders on stumbleupon? Do they recongize the individual? |
| 13:52 | <straterra> | this phone is sexy |
| 13:52 | <Yaakov> | I don't really care about "stumblers" actually. I was writing for the few who might actually find my blog interesting if they got there the way I would like. |
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| 13:52 | <Yaakov> | The average "stumbler" will have no interest at all in my writing, even if the tags seem to match. |
| 13:53 | <Yaakov> | Maybe I will write a JavaScript thing to dim the screen and put a big arrow to the Stumble button in the toolbar. |
| 13:53 | <Talman> | What is the purpose of that? |
| 13:53 | <Talman> | Enforcing compliance? |
| 13:54 | <JshWright> | "Just keep clickin'" |
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| 13:54 | <Yaakov> | To indicate in a very graphical way that they stumbled into my "house" and there's the door. |
| 13:54 | <Talman> | Enforcing compliance. |
| 13:54 | <Talman> | So, you are prepared to defend your ideals with force? |
| 13:54 | <Talman> | Good. |
| 13:54 | <Talman> | I'd color the arrow blue. |
| 13:55 | <Yaakov> | No, if I wanted to "enforce" compliance, without making a point, I would just block that referrer entirely. |
| 13:55 | <Talman> | Its a calming color. |
| 13:55 | <Clorith> | http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/816969-police-hunt-the-midnight-knitter-wool-graffiti-bandit <-- jsut stumbled upon that, now tell me that isn't fascinating ? |
| 13:55 | <Yaakov> | No, I am not going to do it. |
| 13:55 | <Yaakov> | Because I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM. |
| 13:55 | <Yaakov> | I care about describing how I feel about them. |
| 13:55 | <Yaakov> | Which I did. |
| 13:56 | <JshWright> | Talman: I belive you mean yellow |
| 13:56 | <Talman> | JshWright, blue can be calming too. |
| 13:56 | <Yaakov> | Mostly I am impressed by the solipsism that leads to the sorts of things that those "reviewers" write. |
| 13:56 | <JshWright> | BLUE MAKES ME ANGRY! |
| 13:57 | <Talman> | JshWright, have a nice calming red, then. |
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| 14:06 | <Yaakov> | I have had 4003 referrals over the last 2 years from StumbleUpon. |
| 14:07 | <chesty> | stumbleupn traffic sucks, they load the page then leave |
| 14:08 | <Yaakov> | That's out of 956232 unique hosts. |
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| 14:12 | <Yaakov> | About 78,500 of those seem to be exploit probes. |
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| 14:20 | <Peng> | Why were there exploit probes with StumbleUpon referrers? |
| 14:21 | <Talman> | I think he's had 78,500 total exploit probes. |
| 14:21 | <Talman> | Only 4003 stumbleupon. |
| 14:21 | <Peng> | Oh oh oh oh. |
| 14:21 | <Peng> | Right. |
| 14:21 | * | Peng hasn't gotten enough sleep this month. |
| 14:23 | <Talman> | Hey, Yaakov, do you have digg and reddit referrers? |
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| 14:25 | <Clorith> | would an intel 64 but be considered ia64 or amd64 when I am looking at distro's to install? |
| 14:25 | <Clorith> | s/but// |
| 14:25 | <Talman> | amd64, I think. |
| 14:25 | <Nivex> | ia64 was a special server variant. you probably want amd64 |
| 14:25 | <Talman> | IA is Itanium, isn't it? |
| 14:26 | <Nivex> | yep |
| 14:26 | <Clorith> | ahh, thanks =) |
| 14:26 | <Talman> | Ah, I'm guessing its not x86 |
| 14:27 | <@Perihelion> | Okay, people of #linode, maybe you know. How the eff do I export a file from EnCase? Cuz it sure as hell isn't using the "Export" feature. |
| 14:27 | <Nivex> | why are you choosing a 64 bit distro? |
| 14:28 | <Talman> | >> I haven't used EnCase in 10 years, sorry. |
| 14:28 | <Clorith> | Perihelion: |
| 14:28 | <Clorith> | for you; http://dailyshite.com/2010/02/one-computer-bug-you-wouldnt-mind-having/ |
| 14:28 | <@Perihelion> | haha seen it |
| 14:29 | <Clorith> | it blew my mind |
| 14:29 | <Clorith> | I was pleased by it |
| 14:29 | <@Perihelion> | Well, this is BS. I can't copy a MFing file. |
| 14:29 | <@Perihelion> | Like seriously is this program so full of itself that it has to bury a simple feature? |
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| 14:29 | <Talman> | Yes, yes it is. |
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| 14:30 | <Yaakov> | Perihellion is an exploit. |
| 14:30 | <Rob> | mmm exploit |
| 14:31 | <@Perihelion> | And of course Google is useless because EnCase wants you to pay 23485708970987324580972398475 yen to go to their stupid course |
| 14:31 | <@Perihelion> | Meh, it can burn. |
| 14:31 | <Nivex> | Perihelion: ... and two bits! |
| 14:31 | <Talman> | YEP. |
| 14:31 | <Talman> | I just tried. |
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| 14:32 | <@Perihelion> | Cute how the tools used for the assignment prevent me from doing the assignment |
| 14:32 | <Talman> | And you an either plagurize someone else's shit, or blow EnCase. |
| 14:32 | <@Perihelion> | I dont have someone else's work :/ |
| 14:32 | <Talman> | Google results, Perihelion. |
| 14:32 | <@Perihelion> | He wants a screen cap of something |
| 14:32 | <@Perihelion> | I think ill send him cat pictures |
| 14:32 | <@Perihelion> | Nah we have to take a pic of a specific volume |
| 14:32 | <Talman> | Oh, yeah. Is this assignment more about proving you can work Encase? |
| 14:33 | <@Perihelion> | I dont know what the point is |
| 14:33 | <@Perihelion> | Im just gonna go find somethign better to do \o/ |
| 14:33 | <Talman> | Sounds like "Demonstrate that you can work EnCase as you would in the field." |
| 14:33 | <Talman> | i.e. "Forget that you know something that works a lot better, this agency uses EnCase Pro, so start pushing buttons kid." |
| 14:33 | <Peng> | Is setting EnCase on fire allowed? |
| 14:34 | <Peng> | Or quitting the job? :D |
| 14:34 | <Talman> | Set the target drive on fire. |
| 14:34 | <Talman> | If its a .dd image, set the host computer on fire, then blame encase. |
| 14:39 | <Yaakov> | I fear I am not currently fit for human company. |
| 14:41 | <Yaakov> | I love you all but my mind is currently in an unacceptable state. Time to cloister, I think. |
| 14:41 | <@Perihelion> | Pokemon. |
| 14:42 | <@Perihelion> | I know I'm not the only one who thought this. |
| 14:42 | <dKingston> | gotta catch {} them all |
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| 14:43 | <MJCS> | POKEMON! |
| 14:44 | <MJCS> | first you have try them all |
| 14:44 | <MJCS> | :p |
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| 14:49 | <dKingston> | indeed :p] |
| 14:49 | <dKingston> | *:p |
| 14:52 | <Clorith> | I admit, I thought of them. |
| 14:54 | <Clorith> | http://soundcloud.com/omegadubstep/hypnotoad |
| 14:54 | <Clorith> | All glory to the hypnotoad! |
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| 15:01 | <RSully> | anyone here happen to be good with perl & php? |
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| 15:04 | <JshWright> | !ask |
| 15:04 | <linbot> | If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out. |
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| 15:08 | <crazed> | j, |
| 15:09 | <Peng> | k. |
| 15:13 | <Talman> | Clorith, die in a fire, now I have that horrible noise in my he... ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD. |
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| 15:23 | <Peng> | I just lost the game. :( |
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| 15:29 | <Talman> | And this is why I don't play the game. |
| 15:30 | <Talman> | You just took everyone with you, man. |
| 15:32 | <Peng> | I know. I was feeling villainous. |
| 15:32 | <Peng> | But the hypnotoad thing really did make me lose. |
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| 15:34 | <JDLSpeedy> | when would ext4 be ready for the linode kernel? |
| 15:35 | <JDLSpeedy> | noticed there haven't been much updates in awhile |
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| 15:43 | <JshWright> | JDLSpeedy: what do you meant there haven't been updates? 2.6.32 is a pretty recent kernel |
| 15:44 | <Yaakov> | I may need to go to an uninhabited planet. |
| 15:44 | <Peng> | 2.6.33 is more recent? |
| 15:44 | <JshWright> | Yaakov: but then it would no longer be uninhabited |
| 15:45 | <LinodeJavaUser> | no you just have to undead that would work |
| 15:45 | <JDLSpeedy> | Latest 2.6 Stable (2.6.18.8-linode22 |
| 15:45 | <Peng> | JDLSpeedy: So? |
| 15:45 | <JshWright> | Peng: 2.6.33 is what...? 3 weeks old? |
| 15:46 | <Peng> | JDLSpeedy: There's Latest 2.6 Paravirt and individual kernels. |
| 15:46 | <JshWright> | Latest 2.6 Paravirt (2.6.32 |
| 15:46 | <Peng> | Of course, the host is still running 2.6.18. |
| 15:46 | <JDLSpeedy> | i guess they haven't made 2.6.33 stable |
| 15:46 | <Peng> | There was a request for testers a while back. |
| 15:46 | <JshWright> | 2.6.32 is plenty new enough for me |
| 15:47 | <JDLSpeedy> | oo :-/ sorry about that guys |
| 15:47 | <Peng> | 2.6.33 has some cool time-related stuff. |
| 15:48 | <Peng> | I'm not sure if it's complete, though. |
| 15:48 | <JDLSpeedy> | see, i just start my linode, and it be, haven't needed to do anything to my linode for for awhile |
| 15:48 | <JDLSpeedy> | and let it be* |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | JshWright: It would be properly inhabited. |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | I hate being a straw man. |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | I really do. |
| 15:51 | * | Nivex lights Yaakov on fire |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | People... I can't deal with it. I have to do something. |
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| 15:53 | <Yaakov> | Gah |
| 15:56 | <Peng> | 2.6.33 has some neat stuff. http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_33 |
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| 16:06 | <ericOC> | weird, i can't load that link in firefox |
| 16:06 | <ericOC> | The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression. |
| 16:08 | <opello> | apparently your firefox needs gzip support |
| 16:10 | <ericOC> | any idea how to enable that? |
| 16:14 | <ericOC> | weird, changed network.http.accept-encoding to "true" instead of "gzip,deflate", works |
| 16:16 | <Peng> | It works for me in Firefox . . . . |
| 16:17 | <Peng> | It just does normal gzip encoding for me. |
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| 16:29 | <LinodeJavaUser> | you guys got any idea on where to get nginx help? |
| 16:30 | <JshWright> | LinodeJavaUser: you could try here, or the mailing list (http://nginx.org/en/support.html) |
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| 16:33 | <retry> | wondering if it's possible to set up multiple CDNs using Linode's DNS manager? |
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| 16:34 | <retry> | looking at this: http://www.excedodns.eu/premium-dns-services/cdn-manager.html |
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| 16:35 | <retry> | and wondering if it's possible to do this on Linode |
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| 16:39 | <Clorith> | I think I have found the most amazing tv show ever. |
| 16:40 | <Clorith> | It's about this famous norwegian guy who's been to the various arctic places many times |
| 16:41 | <Clorith> | and he's taking handicapped people out on a wood walk |
| 16:41 | <linbot> | New news from forums: transparent migration strategies in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5305>; |
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| 16:45 | <Yaakov> | This world is a morass. |
| 16:46 | <erikh> | and I am even more ass. |
| 16:46 | <Nivex> | full of morans |
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| 17:28 | <Yaakov> | We can't all be important. Someone has to be unimportant. It's all a sham. |
| 17:29 | <Peng> | Yeah, we've designated linbot to be the unimportant one. |
| 17:30 | <Peng> | And restelow, because he doesn't fight back. :> |
| 17:34 | <chesty> | he silently watches the log though, and plots |
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| 17:45 | <Yaakov> | Human consiciousness is an epistemic tragedy. |
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| 19:27 | <Flue> | As far as I can tell I've setup my virtual host perfectly, coped it from designaspects.silk.com (which works), i've a2ensite flue.blueapp.com and restarted apache yet still it will not find my document root, and it insists on displaying me the It Works default content page, any idea? |
| 19:27 | <Flue> | Apache is also not writing to the logs |
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| 19:30 | <Talman> | !pb |
| 19:30 | <linbot> | http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel |
| 19:30 | <Talman> | What distro, throw your virtual host config up. |
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| 19:35 | <Flue> | Ubuntu Karmic |
| 19:36 | <Talman> | ok, throw your vhost config into pastbin, I'll take a look. |
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| 19:37 | <Flue> | http://pastebin.com/bCkFzkqK |
| 19:38 | <chesty> | is the config file called flue.blueapp.com or a2ensite flue.blueapp.com.conf ? |
| 19:39 | <Talman> | Better question. |
| 19:39 | <Flue> | file in sites-available is called flue.blueapp.com |
| 19:39 | <Talman> | Does Apache2 know you're using /srv/www/ |
| 19:39 | <Talman> | Change something in /var/www/index.html (or htm, whichever it is...) |
| 19:40 | <Talman> | Stock ubuntu apt install of apache2 looks at /var/www/ |
| 19:40 | <Flue> | designaspects.silk.com is working from /srv/www/ and so is cyprusvillas.uk.to and so is designaspects.uk.to |
| 19:41 | <Flue> | all from /srv/www/[domainname]/public_html and i've copied their working virtual host and edited it. |
| 19:41 | <Talman> | Interesting. |
| 19:41 | <Flue> | Chaning var/www/ now 1 sec :) |
| 19:41 | <Talman> | Put an error in your flue file. |
| 19:42 | <Talman> | Lets see if chesty is right, does it even look |
| 19:42 | <Flue> | Yea its taking me to var/www/ thats where the message is |
| 19:42 | <Flue> | the default configuration is /var/www |
| 19:42 | <Flue> | shall i change the default configuration to /srv/www? |
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| 19:43 | <Flue> | When you say error, do you mean write some erroneous data in flue.blueapp.com under sites-available |
| 19:46 | <Talman> | You just solved the problem. |
| 19:46 | <Talman> | Feel free to change the default configureation to /srv/www/, but on updates you may have to re-change it. |
| 19:47 | <Flue> | Thats better, but not solving the problem |
| 19:47 | <Flue> | Why is it picking up the default-000 sym link and using that |
| 19:47 | <Flue> | why is it not using the DocumentRoot in the XML file to go to /srv/www/flue.blueapp.com/public_html |
| 19:47 | <Flue> | with this configuration i can only have one site, which i have to specify in default |
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| 19:50 | <Talman> | Um... I have 8 sites with the same configuration, if nobody's altered default-000. |
| 19:50 | <Talman> | I just put them were they're supposed to be. |
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| 19:52 | <Flue> | Talman: what shall i change? |
| 19:52 | <Talman> | I don't play with the document root. Honestly, I'd move the sites to /var/www/ where I put them. But, that's me. |
| 19:53 | <Talman> | You might want to look at your apache2.conf |
| 19:53 | <Flue> | Every other site works fine though, just following the linode tutorials |
| 19:53 | <Flue> | kk, what am i looking for? |
| 19:53 | <Talman> | something pointing the document root to /var/www/ and change it to /srv/www |
| 19:53 | <Talman> | I don't use the linode tutorials to configure apache2. |
| 19:54 | <Talman> | So, I have no idea why they're pointing at /srv/www |
| 19:54 | <Flue> | It worked 3 times, why would the fourth not succeed? |
| 19:54 | <Flue> | Confused to hell. |
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| 19:54 | <Talman> | I have no idea. |
| 19:54 | <Talman> | This is why I don't screw with default settings unless I know what I'm doing. :) |
| 19:55 | <Flue> | by default settings i assume you mean the /var/www |
| 19:56 | <Flue> | just puzzles me how the other sites can work with exactly the same configuration file |
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| 20:04 | <SelfishMan> | did you reboot three times? |
| 20:06 | <Flue> | about 7 now |
| 20:06 | <Flue> | hehe |
| 20:06 | <Flue> | reload and restart |
| 20:07 | <Flue> | any cache i can clear from apache or something? |
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| 20:16 | <JarretSlater> | So How much is the Upload on a Linode VPS? |
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| 20:17 | <Battousai> | 50mbit. infinity if needed. |
| 20:18 | <JarretSlater> | So is it on a good fiber backbone? |
| 20:18 | <Peng> | s/infinity/gigabit, more or less/ |
| 20:18 | <Peng> | JarretSlater: Yes? |
| 20:19 | <JarretSlater> | ok cool ... |
| 20:19 | <Peng> | Actually Linode is connected to the Internet with Comcast cable, and they make use of 100 Mbps D-Link routers. :> |
| 20:19 | * | Peng ducks |
| 20:19 | <Flue> | So I get this in my /var/www/logs from apache when ever i access flue.blueapp.com flue.blueapp.com:80 ::1 - - [14/Mar/2010:20:02:42 -0400] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 152 "-" "Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) (internal dummy connection) |
| 20:19 | <Flue> | if its any help to anyone |
| 20:19 | <Peng> | (To be clear, that was a lie.) |
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| 20:19 | <Peng> | Flue: Yeah, that doesn't matter. |
| 20:19 | <Peng> | Well. |
| 20:20 | <Flue> | oow :p |
| 20:20 | <Peng> | Those internal dummy connections are normal, but in this specific situation perhaps it is relevant. |
| 20:20 | <Flue> | dunno what else to try, and googling why apache would choose default-000 symlink over the one specified is beyond me |
| 20:21 | <Flue> | doh, goolging it, and nothing is coming up thats meant to say |
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| 20:23 | <jpp> | Hey folks. I'm at "peak season" for my segment right now, getting 2x-3x the traffic I got a week ago. My setup is 2 360 linodes (one for PHP/Apache, the other for MySQL). Everything seems fine... however |
| 20:23 | <Peng> | That's an ominous "however". :D |
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| 20:24 | <jpp> | I have noticed that, for example, my PHP/Apache 360 linode is not using any more memory now (150MB) than it was last week. |
| 20:24 | <jpp> | Peng: Not so ominous, huh? :-) |
| 20:24 | <bob2> | higher load will only increase apache's memory use if you were below maxclients before |
| 20:24 | <jpp> | I am now wondering if I'm configuring apache too stringently, not allowing as many connections as I should. |
| 20:25 | <jpp> | Right - I suppose in a way I'm wondering how to tell if I'm hitting maxclients |
| 20:25 | <bob2> | hm, actually, there's probably a thousand other things, but that seems to |
| 20:25 | <bob2> | me that it'd be the biggest |
| 20:25 | <jpp> | Thank you for helping me figure out what my question really was. |
| 20:26 | <jpp> | In the past, I have found maxclients to be a tough nut to crack. |
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| 20:27 | <jpp> | If I'm at maxclients, my page-creation time (measured in PHP) doesn't increase, because once PHP gets the request things load as quickly as usual. |
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| 20:27 | <jpp> | However, there will be a lot of "lag" time before page generation occurs. Not sure if this is the best way to assess how close to maxclients I am. |
| 20:28 | <bob2> | apache's err log will tell you |
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| 20:28 | <jpp> | Ooh, nice. Gonna go grep through that now then. |
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| 20:31 | <Flue> | Guys and girls: could it be the free dns flue.blueapp.com, why would other dns addresses work but not this one? could it be the actual domain name thats causing the problem and not the vhost configuration? |
| 20:32 | <Flue> | or apache at all for that matter |
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| 20:34 | <Peng> | Flue: That depends on the problem. |
| 20:35 | <Flue> | Peng: suppose best way to find out is to try set up another new one |
| 20:35 | <jpp> | bob2: Looks like I'm not hitting maxclients. That's good... |
| 20:35 | <Peng> | Flue: Is it supposed to point to 109.74.201.76? Does your resolver have something else cached? |
| 20:36 | <Flue> | Peng: Don't completely understand, under a month's experience with this stuff. can you explain a bit simpler? or what shall i check? |
| 20:37 | <Peng> | Flue: How recently did you create/change the DNS record? Exactly what error message are you getting? |
| 20:37 | <Flue> | I created the dns as a subdomain from freedns.afraid.org |
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| 20:38 | <Flue> | Peng: Basically, apache is going to the default sym link rather than flue.blueapp.com when i access http://flue.blueapp.com/ |
| 20:39 | <Flue> | Peng: From all my reading on google, apparently it can do this if it doesn't recognise the ServerName within the virtual host file |
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| 20:40 | <Peng> | Flue: If you're connecting to the right IP, it's not a DNS problem. |
| 20:40 | <Flue> | dammit |
| 20:40 | <Flue> | thanks Peng |
| 20:40 | <Peng> | Well... it could be, possibly. |
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| 20:40 | <Peng> | If you use hostnames in certain places in the config instead of IP addresses, it will have to do DNS lookups, and if it has the old value cached... |
| 20:41 | * | Peng shrugs |
| 20:41 | <Peng> | I dunno Apache well. |
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| 20:46 | <pharaun> | *stabs* apache |
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| 20:51 | <deejoe> | in the *eye* |
| 20:53 | -!- | jpp is now known as apache |
| 20:54 | * | apache stabs pharaun |
| 20:54 | -!- | apache is now known as jpp |
| 20:54 | <jpp> | :-) |
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| 20:55 | <pharaun> | xD |
| 20:55 | * | pharaun rolls a 1d4 dice, *apache* stabs me for 1 point of damage! |
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| 21:00 | * | Perihelion just saw the hypnotoad on TV |
| 21:02 | <Talman> | Are you all right? |
| 21:03 | <pharaun> | i dunno if he is |
| 21:05 | <pparadis> | wholesale coleslaw |
| 21:05 | <erikh> | that'd be an awesome band name |
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| 21:37 | <JarretSlater> | Any one used Linode Back Up? |
| 21:37 | <bob2> | isn't the beta closed? |
| 21:38 | <@Perihelion> | Si |
| 21:38 | <JarretSlater> | ummm i dont know? |
| 21:38 | <@Perihelion> | It is |
| 21:38 | <JarretSlater> | Is there any other way to back up a VPS .? |
| 21:38 | <@Perihelion> | Sure, have you looked in the library? |
| 21:39 | <JarretSlater> | google it now |
| 21:39 | <@Perihelion> | http://library.linode.com/search?query=backup |
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| 21:55 | <tanto> | whats the purpose of escalation procedures if the people you escalate to *never* answer their phones? |
| 21:55 | <tanto> | jarret: i have linode backups |
| 21:55 | <Talman> | It lookgs good on paper and to the insurance company, tanto. |
| 21:55 | <Nivex> | or there's my work: what's the purpose of an escalation procedure if there's noone to escalate to? |
| 21:56 | <tanto> | we work at the same place, nivex? =) |
| 21:56 | <Talman> | Nivex, what if you have people, but they just don't give a shit, fix it now? :) |
| 21:56 | <tanto> | talman: if we don't follow documented procedures we get nasty grams and we get written up |
| 21:56 | <tanto> | and i get emails from my boss saying he wants to fire me |
| 21:56 | <Nivex> | tanto: oh, that's great for morale |
| 21:56 | <tanto> | lulz tell me about it |
| 21:56 | <Talman> | tanto, of course you do. |
| 21:57 | <Talman> | If you don't follow documented procedures, tehy can't show to the insurance companies, clients, etc that they have strictly enforced established procedures to prevent what happened from happening. |
| 21:57 | <Talman> | Granted, they shouldn't be for show, but in many cases they are. |
| 21:57 | <tanto> | it works both ways |
| 21:57 | <Talman> | Only if they're not good at covering things up. :) |
| 21:57 | <tanto> | last week we had our largest custom down for about 45 minutes |
| 21:58 | <tanto> | because our escalation contacts either didn't answer their phones or were unable to assist |
| 21:58 | <Nivex> | the trick is: upon realizing the documented procedure failed, update said procedure |
| 21:58 | <Nivex> | that seems to be where things fall down |
| 21:58 | <Talman> | Try following established procedures, and having them fail, when 4.8 million dollars of highly volitile product evacuated into an area where humans were. |
| 21:58 | <tanto> | custom/comster |
| 21:58 | <Talman> | The product, btw, was over 800 degrees, and evacuated as a gas. |
| 21:58 | <tanto> | nivex: updating procedures is above my pay grade |
| 21:59 | <tanto> | i got a nasty gram for suggesting a better procedure |
| 21:59 | <Nivex> | Talman: I don't have the constitution for that kind of job. |
| 21:59 | <bob2> | time start looking for a new job |
| 21:59 | <Talman> | I think the only procedure that worked was calling the National Hazardous Chemical Response Hotline. |
| 21:59 | <tanto> | bob: on it. |
| 21:59 | <Nivex> | tanto: ahh, I know how that goes. I didn't get a nastygram though, just a quiet shunning. |
| 21:59 | <tanto> | it's hard right now though with so many other people looking, and the area i live in isn't hot for IT related jobs |
| 22:00 | <Talman> | Couldn't reach the people on the "contact list," and it looked like an explosion on CCTV. :) |
| 22:00 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:00 | <tanto> | talman lol |
| 22:00 | <Nivex> | anybody want to move to NC? http://www.lib.unc.edu/jobs/spa/16969.html |
| 22:00 | <tanto> | i just work with servers and applications, not any kind of hazardous material |
| 22:00 | <tanto> | unless you count whatever is growing in the fridge |
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| 22:01 | <Talman> | Yeah. :) So, even when response procedures involve the risk of death, they're still not any better. |
| 22:01 | <Talman> | Thankfully, the guy monitoring the product was on an unauthorized break at the time. |
| 22:01 | <Talman> | Else, he would of been sitting in front of the hose that ruptured. We estimated that he would of lived for about 5 seconds. |
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| 22:06 | <Talman> | Why do more and more joomla vendors think videos for "support" is awesome? |
| 22:07 | <Talman> | I have to watch about an 9 minute video just to learn something I could read about in 2. |
| 22:07 | <MarkJ> | I want instructions, not a video |
| 22:07 | <Talman> | Indeed. |
| 22:07 | <maushu> | Sheep like moving pictures. |
| 22:07 | <MarkJ> | And what if it changes? keep creating videos? |
| 22:07 | <Talman> | I'm trying to figure out how to do micro integrations on AEC. |
| 22:07 | <tanto> | nivex: storage and backup infrastructure. puke. |
| 22:08 | <Talman> | Since support is subscription based, I guess so, MarkJ. |
| 22:08 | <Talman> | You pay for 3 months of access to support. |
| 22:08 | <HedgeMage> | Talman: I have no idea. Drupal people have had video fever for ages. I think it's common with CMSes because we have to instruct the designers, too, not just people who can live without visual aides ;P |
| 22:08 | * | HedgeMage ducks |
| 22:08 | <Talman> | (And the application itself) |
| 22:08 | <erikh> | Talman: hey, I work with rails. I know how you feel. |
| 22:08 | <tanto> | what kind of storage devices? backup systems? |
| 22:08 | <Talman> | I like rails, I just hate MVC and can't figure it out. |
| 22:08 | <erikh> | oh, it's not that hard, it's just a separation of powers is all. I was talking about the videos though |
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| 22:09 | <erikh> | rails programmers seem to really love them for some silly reason |
| 22:09 | <maushu> | Anyone ever used ubuntu as a vm guestos? |
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| 22:10 | <Talman> | I've used ubuntu desktop 9.04 in VMware and VirtualBox. |
| 22:10 | <maushu> | I'm trying to mix NAT with Host-only. |
| 22:10 | <Talman> | And VirtualPC, but we don't talk about that. |
| 22:10 | <maushu> | I think this is more a linux question than virtualization. |
| 22:10 | <bob2> | I think ubuntu has been used a guest once or twice |
| 22:11 | <Talman> | Oh this man needs to die. "This is not the video for learning how to create micro-integrations, that's elsewhere on this site." |
| 22:11 | <maushu> | I can use eth0 correctly (connecting to the host os), now I have another net adapter that is eth2 with NAT. |
| 22:11 | <maushu> | It doesn't work though. ;_; |
| 22:11 | <Talman> | What's your vm software? |
| 22:11 | <maushu> | vbox. |
| 22:11 | <maushu> | Do I need to config ubuntu to use eth2 as the internet connection? |
| 22:12 | <Talman> | Ok, I'm trying to remember the terms here. :( Host-Only is what? I don't think I never play that. |
| 22:12 | <Talman> | Is that the one that doesn't go anywhere? |
| 22:12 | <maushu> | Is the os that has the vm. |
| 22:12 | <bob2> | by default you need do nothing |
| 22:12 | <bob2> | why are you changing the defaults? |
| 22:12 | <tanto> | in vmware it's bridge |
| 22:12 | <tanto> | bridged |
| 22:12 | <Talman> | Ah, the one that talks directly to the network like its a "real" box. I use that one. |
| 22:12 | <tanto> | yeah |
| 22:12 | <Talman> | So that it gets its own IP. |
| 22:12 | <maushu> | Well, I can only have NAT or Host-only. Not both. ;_; |
| 22:13 | <Talman> | Well, is this a limitation of VBOX? |
| 22:13 | <Talman> | I've never tried it. |
| 22:13 | <Talman> | I ignore NAT cause, well, its NAT. |
| 22:13 | <maushu> | No, I just added two network adapters. |
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| 22:13 | <maushu> | One is NAT the other is Host-only. |
| 22:13 | <maushu> | But linux only uses eth0. |
| 22:14 | <maushu> | How do I make it use eth2 for internet related stuff? |
| 22:14 | <bob2> | by fixing the config |
| 22:14 | <bob2> | why are you doing this? |
| 22:14 | <maushu> | ...huh, because I want to have an internet connection a the same time I have a connection between host and guest? |
| 22:15 | <Talman> | But you alreay have a connection between host and guest. |
| 22:15 | <maushu> | Yes. |
| 22:15 | <Talman> | No, I mean, with host only. |
| 22:15 | <Talman> | Its another box on the LAN, they're connected. |
| 22:15 | <maushu> | It's the same computer. |
| 22:15 | <Talman> | No, its not. |
| 22:15 | <Talman> | Its a seperate virtual machine. |
| 22:16 | <Talman> | That Host-Only network card, for all intents and purposes, is its own network card on another box. |
| 22:16 | <maushu> | Yes. |
| 22:16 | <maushu> | I get that. |
| 22:16 | <Talman> | Then why are you saying that they're not connected already? |
| 22:16 | <maushu> | The NAT is not working. |
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| 22:17 | <Talman> | 10.0.0.2 is the host, 10.0.0.3 is the VM. 10.0.0.3 can talk to the host via the router it got 10.0.0.2 via DHCP from. |
| 22:17 | <Talman> | raither, 10.0.0.3 via DHCP. |
| 22:17 | <Talman> | I do that all the time via samba. |
| 22:17 | <Talman> | Or VNC. |
| 22:17 | <maushu> | Now Im confused. |
| 22:17 | <Talman> | You were before. |
| 22:17 | <Talman> | With Host Only, ignore the fact its virtual. |
| 22:17 | <Talman> | That thing is pulling an IP off your router. |
| 22:18 | <maushu> | Okay. |
| 22:18 | <Talman> | Its a "real" box as far as your network is concerned. |
| 22:18 | <Talman> | With NAT, it never sees your network, the VirtualBox daemon gives it a NATted IP address. |
| 22:18 | <maushu> | Can't I use a second adapter as NAT? |
| 22:19 | <Talman> | Sure, you could, but you have to then figure out how to configure your /etc/config/network to pull a DHCP network address off eth0, and set it as the primary inet gateway. |
| 22:19 | <Talman> | I don't remember the exact configuration commands, because I do stuff like that so infrequently its google time. |
| 22:19 | <Talman> | Its basically the same setup as a private network on a linode. |
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| 22:19 | <maushu> | Wait, I think eth2 is not config properly. |
| 22:20 | <Talman> | is this ubuntu server or desktop? |
| 22:20 | <maushu> | Server. |
| 22:21 | <Talman> | ah, ok. |
| 22:23 | <maushu> | Talman, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/61156/virtualbox-host-guest-network-setup/2047646#2047646 |
| 22:23 | <maushu> | This guy talks about what I'm trying to od. |
| 22:24 | <Talman> | Ok, then what's the problem? |
| 22:25 | <maushu> | The second adapter is not working. I'm attempting something right now. |
| 22:26 | <Talman> | Yes, I know its not working. What IP is eth0 and eth1 giving? |
| 22:26 | <Talman> | wiat... where the hell is eth1. |
| 22:26 | <Talman> | since you said eth2 |
| 22:27 | <maushu> | ...I don't know. |
| 22:27 | <maushu> | Probably on vacation or something. |
| 22:27 | <maushu> | Restarted network... let see if it works. |
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| 22:29 | <maushu> | Yay! It works. |
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| 22:29 | <maushu> | It was just a bad config in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:30 | <maushu> | ...and ssh works. \o/ |
| 22:30 | <maushu> | Task it is pretty useful. |
| 22:31 | <Talman> | that's what i thought it was. |
| 22:31 | <maushu> | Thanks. |
| 22:31 | <maushu> | I might be a little drunk. My cousin married yesterday. |
| 22:34 | <Talman> | I do not suggest trying to sysadmin while intoxicated unless you're some kind of savant. |
| 22:34 | <Talman> | I can only do it because I don't know what the hell i'm talking about most times, but oddly I just start clicking or typing and things suddenly work. |
| 22:35 | <Talman> | See also: You motherfucker, you start working or I'll burn you with a stick. |
| 22:38 | <maushu> | Well, I'm intoxicated and this works. |
| 22:38 | <maushu> | Does that mean I'm so kind of savant? |
| 22:38 | <HoopyCat> | ballmer peak |
| 22:40 | <maushu> | I think that only applies to programmers (that word took a while to write), not sysadmin, you silly cat. |
| 22:40 | <@jed> | http://i.imgur.com/XVYF5.jpg |
| 22:40 | <@jed> | I opened that up to paste to you guys after I closed it, and I started laughing again. |
| 22:40 | <@jed> | /it's funny. laugh. |
| 22:40 | <HoopyCat> | maushu: it's not programming-specific :-) |
| 22:41 | <maushu> | HoopyCat, I just checked the graph, it clearly says "programmers". |
| 22:41 | <@jed> | I am so doing that for halloween |
| 22:41 | <maushu> | Wait, I mean, it says programming skill. |
| 22:42 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Clock drift! in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5282>; |
| 22:42 | <HoopyCat> | maushu: just because... *grabs a random book* just because this exponential curve has "percent of full capacitor voltage" for the y axis doesn't mean it's electronics-specific :-) |
| 22:43 | <maushu> | Ah, yes. |
| 22:43 | <maushu> | Of course. |
| 22:43 | <maushu> | That explains everything. |
| 22:43 | <maushu> | Including the cat girls. |
| 22:44 | <Yaakov> | It's a Pareto Efficiency. It works in all sort of cases. |
| 22:44 | <HoopyCat> | urmom is so fat that when she tried to be a cat girl we had to pipe her through less |
| 22:45 | <Nivex> | HoopyCat: that was painful to read |
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| 22:45 | <HoopyCat> | Nivex: thanks! |
| 22:45 | <maushu> | I now have a headache from reading that. |
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| 22:52 | <Talman> | jed: What the jesus IS that. |
| 22:53 | <Talman> | Also, there's a whole list of things you shouldn't do while intoxicated. |
| 22:53 | <@jed> | Talman: I know, right? |
| 22:53 | <@jed> | that image is awesome on at least 9 levels |
| 22:53 | <Talman> | Did someone find a giant baby mask? |
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| 22:54 | <Talman> | Is it shopped? Is that a giant angry baby who's gonna destroy something? |
| 22:55 | <@jed> | you'd have to handcraft something like that, I'd imagine |
| 22:56 | <@jed> | given it's halloween (it would appear) and the reaction of the folks next to him, I have doubts that's shooped |
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| 22:58 | <Talman> | Yeah, that's... pretty awesome. |
| 22:59 | <Talman> | I'm not sure how I'd react to that thing. |
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| 23:02 | <@jed> | I'd wear it to work, honestly |
| 23:02 | <@jed> | I'd look ridiculous, but it'd be worth it at first |
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| 23:02 | <Talman> | Look at where you work. |
| 23:03 | <Talman> | Would it really negatively affect you? |
| 23:03 | <Talman> | Other than a day when you're lugging servers up stairs. |
| 23:03 | <@jed> | people would think I'm more retarded than they do already |
| 23:03 | <@jed> | which would be a feat |
| 23:03 | <Talman> | I don't know, they'd read this and think that its either cliche or awesome. |
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| 23:13 | <randallman> | so, which hurricane electric v6 pop is closest to the NJ datacenter? |
| 23:14 | <randallman> | I spose I could traceroute them, but its much easier to ask :) |
| 23:16 | <@jed> | new york |
| 23:16 | <randallman> | figured |
| 23:16 | <randallman> | thanks |
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| 23:16 | <randallman> | wondering, when they are handing off a /64 |
| 23:17 | <randallman> | its point to point, so why a 64? |
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| 23:17 | <@jed> | you get a routable /64 |
| 23:17 | <@jed> | so addresses in that /64 are sent down your point to point |
| 23:17 | <randallman> | gotcha |
| 23:17 | <randallman> | so I could bring up sub interfaces |
| 23:17 | <@jed> | that's the way IPv6 works, the bare minimum supposed to be handed out is a /64 |
| 23:17 | <@jed> | yeah, and you actually should -- a lot of people don't realize that |
| 23:18 | <randallman> | or seperate that out further |
| 23:18 | <@jed> | if you see someone in here on their IPv6 tunnel rDNS, they're doing it wrong |
| 23:18 | <@jed> | I always brought up sit1 as the PTP and then assigned IPv6 endpoints from my routed /64 to eth0 |
| 23:18 | <randallman> | so then the p to p endpoint is really the ipv4 endpoint |
| 23:18 | <randallman> | like in any other tunnel |
| 23:19 | <@jed> | correct |
| 23:19 | <randallman> | I see I can delegate rDNS |
| 23:19 | <randallman> | does linode provide inaddr for v6? |
| 23:19 | <randallman> | dont run named on my sheet.. |
| 23:19 | <@jed> | when you start dealing with tunnels, forget about ifconfig and eth0:0 and that malarky -- we recommend it because the least distros choke on it, but I always use "ip addr add" and friends |
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| 23:20 | <randallman> | Im still king of the stoneage with the aliasing :) |
| 23:20 | <randallman> | old habits die hard |
| 23:20 | <randallman> | I know 'ip' supports true secondary IPs |
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| 23:21 | <randallman> | Was going to bring up a 2nd tunnel here @home, but I dont think my ancient whiterussian box is going to do well with it... |
| 23:21 | <randallman> | maybe it will perhaps |
| 23:21 | <randallman> | been wanting to buy a standard asa5505 anyway. |
| 23:21 | <randallman> | or build my own atom router :P |
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| 23:22 | <neale`> | are there any known issues with having a second IP not in the same class A subnet as the first? |
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| 23:25 | -!- | amitz is now known as optimusprime |
| 23:25 | * | optimusprime hits megatron27 |
| 23:27 | <megatron27> | is megatron the bad guy in Transformers? |
| 23:27 | <randallman> | yes |
| 23:27 | <neale`> | the head bad guy |
| 23:27 | <optimusprime> | yes, the boss of bad guy. |
| 23:28 | <megatron27> | I watched the cartoons as a child but I have since forgotten the details of it. |
| 23:28 | * | megatron27 only remembers captain planet vividly |
| 23:28 | * | neale` sheds a single tear |
| 23:28 | <optimusprime> | this is like the episode where megatron27 lost his memory |
| 23:29 | <optimusprime> | megatron27: disappointing, you forget our fantasy. |
| 23:29 | -!- | optimusprime is now known as amitz |
| 23:29 | <megatron27> | I would watch this movie but I have something against Josh Dhumel |
| 23:29 | <megatron27> | (sp?) |
| 23:29 | <megatron27> | the movie* |
| 23:30 | <amitz> | the movie is different. |
| 23:31 | <amitz> | did your country experience voltus v, google v, megaloman? |
| 23:31 | <megatron27> | yes, there's a woman in the movie |
| 23:31 | <@jed> | neale`: class-based networking has been dead a number of years :) |
| 23:31 | <@jed> | and: no |
| 23:32 | <neale`> | okay /0 :p |
| 23:32 | <@jed> | not in the same /0? |
| 23:32 | <neale`> | not in the same /1 |
| 23:32 | <neale`> | okay maybe like /5 |
| 23:32 | <neale`> | anyway it's way different |
| 23:32 | <@jed> | if the first octet is different, you can say /8 |
| 23:32 | <@jed> | and no, still, no issues |
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| 23:33 | <@jed> | an IP address is just an endpoint, as long as it's routable it doesn't care what it is |
| 23:33 | <neale`> | yeah, the "routable" is what I'm wondering about |
| 23:33 | <@jed> | did you get it from us? |
| 23:34 | <neale`> | yeah |
| 23:34 | <neale`> | it's supposed to be 69.164.201.112 |
| 23:34 | <neale`> | and I think I configured it right, just ifconfig eth0:1 69.164.201.112 |
| 23:34 | <@jed> | if you get them from us, they'll work no matter what |
| 23:34 | <neale`> | but I can't ping the router |
| 23:35 | <neale`> | well maybe I screwed something up |
| 23:35 | <neale`> | I'm going to be embarassed if I did |
| 23:35 | <@jed> | rebooooot. |
| 23:35 | <neale`> | wait really? why would I need to reboot? |
| 23:35 | <@jed> | for our backend to resync your IP addresses |
| 23:35 | <neale`> | oh |
| 23:35 | <neale`> | how... windowsy ;) |
| 23:35 | <@jed> | you booted last 3/12 12:46a, and added the IP 3/12 4:11p, yeah? |
| 23:35 | <neale`> | yeah |
| 23:35 | <neale`> | after the last boot |
| 23:36 | <@jed> | gotsta rebooooot. |
| 23:36 | <neale`> | darn. |
| 23:36 | <neale`> | okay, thank you! |
| 23:36 | <@jed> | np :) |
| 23:36 | <@jed> | you only need one gateway, too |
| 23:36 | <neale`> | it's comforting to know that I haven't lost my mind. Ostensibly I workd for the network engineering group of $LARGEPLACE.gov |
| 23:37 | <Battousai> | stop bragging about your cushy government job |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | if you're rebooting, add a private IP before you do |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | so you can configure that too |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | dos birds, one rock |
| 23:37 | <neale`> | how would I do one gateway if they're not even on the same /8? |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | I lied, I'm thinking private IPs |
| 23:37 | <@jed> | proceed as before, I'm half awake |
| 23:37 | <neale`> | :) |
| 23:38 | <neale`> | okay I'll add a private IP then |
| 23:38 | <amitz> | will somebody add "half awake" to !excuse ? :-p |
| 23:38 | <neale`> | well that was quick |
| 23:38 | <@jed> | shush you |
| 23:38 | <randallman> | Jed, what's a v6 irk server on oftc? |
| 23:39 | <@jed> | neale`: now when you add another Linode they can bring up private networking without you having to reboot that one |
| 23:39 | <@jed> | it's pretty useless to you now, unless you want to nmap your neighbors :) |
| 23:39 | <@jed> | randallman: irc6.oftc.net, maybe |
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| 23:40 | <neale`> | well it'll be helpful when you bring up your storage service |
| 23:40 | <neale`> | which will happen... |
| 23:40 | <neale`> | ;) |
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| 23:41 | <neale`> | Battousai: oh hi |
| 23:41 | <amitz> | a... hmm.. non-animated SAILOR MOON! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Guardian_Sailor_Moon |
| 23:41 | * | amitz hides |
| 23:43 | <Battousai> | hmm |
| 23:43 | <pparadis> | holy jailbait |
| 23:43 | <stefanie> | yeah 'bout that... |
| 23:44 | <pparadis> | sailor moon animated, good idea. sailor moon with real girls and a calendar, maybe not a good idea. |
| 23:44 | <amitz> | they're 18! |
| 23:44 | <amitz> | !twss |
| 23:44 | <linbot> | THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID! |
| 23:44 | <pparadis> | suuuuuuuuure they are |
| 23:44 | <mikegrb> | just phil's type |
| 23:44 | <mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:44 | <stefanie> | lol |
| 23:45 | <neale`> | man I must be getting old because that looks downright goofy (and nothing else) to me |
| 23:45 | * | pparadis wants to see a birth certificate, two forms of government issued photo id, and anything else you can think of for age verification |
| 23:45 | <mikegrb> | pparadis: if you cut thier head off you can count the rings in their neck, just like trees |
| 23:45 | <pparadis> | excellent! |
| 23:46 | * | neale` blinks |
| 23:46 | <mikegrb> | pparadis: ask neale, he's done it before |
| 23:46 | <amitz> | this is more than I can handle. |
| 23:46 | <pparadis> | !twss |
| 23:46 | <linbot> | THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID! |
| 23:46 | * | amitz watches and learns. |
| 23:46 | <stefanie> | it's softcore porn for j-pop lovers |
| 23:47 | <neale`> | mikegrb: I *told* you not to talk about it any more! |
| 23:48 | <amitz> | hey, this version's legs are way too short! |
| 23:49 | <amitz> | way too large waists. |
| 23:49 | <amitz> | the horror! |
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| 23:54 | <stefanie> | Protester's protesting a protest-> http://www.geeked.info/protesting-the-westboro-baptist-church-in-san-francisco/ |
| 23:54 | <neale`> | the westboro baptist church is worth protesting |
| 23:55 | <stefanie> | They protested with silly signs |
| 23:55 | <neale`> | that's probably a good way to disarm the hatred |
| 23:56 | <neale`> | I like that the cop wanted the donuts sign. |
| 23:56 | <neale`> | I liked it when we were able to joke around with the cops at our protest. |
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